For whatever reason over this last week I’ve been asked about “Hell” more than any other topic. I’ve done explanations (you might call them teachings) on this topic a few times on here. But since people are asking, and since it’s a year later, I wanted to revisit this topic once again and in as exhaustive detail as possible.
Before I start this, I want to say that I know an Author/Pastor has a book out on this topic. I will confess that I know of his book, but haven’t read it (no money to buy a lot of things), though I have seen enough of his videos to know I agree with him. I don’t think that there are only two people talking about this concept, and I don’t think that I have some special revelation. I feel Father/God gives many understanding. I also think over time more and more people will read the Bible for themselves, and see exactly what I’m about to say on this topic. After all the Word of God is not belonging to men, so many will understand… eventually. I’m also not trying to Parrot anything off of others work. I can assure you this is what I believe and walk out daily.
Lastly, I cannot go through each and every scripture the Bible offers on this subject as we would be here all day. It takes a good 1.5-2.5 hours to cover Birth, Life, Death, and after, with including the “Heaven” and “Hell” components also. I will offer some scripture, but to cover it all you’ve got to study for yourself.
In 2015 while bed ridden with some weird sickness I was first investigating the death issue. I mean, three family members had passed in four years, I had a job as a first responder, and right now I’m just about fifty years aged. So the death thing…. I needed to know. This gets us to the “Hell” component. Let’s get into this.
Our modern Christian Concept of “Hell” goes as follows…..
When we die we immediately go to Heaven or Hell. Hell is reserved for the ungodly, unrepentant, wicked, and evil and is the domain under the earth where Satan (the Devil), and his minions (we will call them demons) reigns. They torment the souls of the “damned” for ever and ever with flames of fire, pain, and suffering. This is why you need Christ. To not end up with Satan. Hmmm, sound about right and complete?
As a Christian reading (take that back, Studying) your Bible… I want to ask you two important questions.
1. Can you give me a Chapter and Verse where you see God or Christ explain “Hell” with anything similar as I have above?
2. Can you tell me where “Hell”originated?
As we are asking questions I have one more.
3. Why would God give a rebellious Satan a kingdom to torment people in… after all that would be a reward, can you hand me a chapter and verse?
With these three questions, (I know I said two originally) I want to stress I’m not looking for vague scripture loaded with what hypotheses, traditions, or doctrine say. I’m interested in proving it like on trial, or beyond reasonable doubt here. Now that we know the ground rules I think we are ready to explore “Hell” as a word, concept, and belief. With exploring what the Bible says on the topic at hand.
There are many quotes saying “Jesus spoke more about Hell then Heaven in the New Testament”. We need to ask is that true?
Depending on what translation you’re using, the English word “Hell” shows up in the bible 32- to over 100 times in the whole Bible. You can also find studies claiming “only a fool would believe there is no Hell”.
We know that Satan is the “accuser”, so this starts out with how the person feels and an accusation instead of just the facts. Funny how that works. I want to be very clear here of what I am doing.
I am NOT doing away with punishment for the wicked, evil, or ungodly. I am NOT saying there is no ending to those people.
What I am actually saying, is that according to what the Holy Bible actually says, that ending just isn’t the “Hell” we’ve come to understand it to be. It certainly is an end, there are really biblical consequences to being ungodly, wicked, and evil. But let’s not feel something out, or guess at it. Let’s investigate it like a detective investigates a crime. Let’s seek truth, not theology or doctrines, let’s read our Bibles.
Hell, this word is not a stand alone word which comes from the Hebrew or Greek. We need to remember we are reading as English people, Bibles that were translated from Hebrew or Greek manuscripts. These two very different languages and cultures had their own belief systems. Languages and cultures don’t work how we in modern day would like to think. Similar sounding words in one language don’t mean the same in others. Beliefs and concepts in one language and culture don’t mean the same in another. This is just Hebrew and Greek. Try English, a guy in a from the United Kingdom having lunch with a friend from America says, “gimme a minute or two. I got to step outside and have a fag”. I would doubt he is craving a homosexual. Perhaps he just finished lunch and needs to smoke a cigarette. Just like “googling” something online doesn’t mean to start an internet based company, but to “look something up”. Both sayings are in English, just saying. This is important to our “Hell” discussion. (For an in depth study see my Sacred Naming isn’t Biblical) write up on this blog page.
With this in mind we can see we have a problem already with languages and cultures. So this word “Hell” wasn’t originally in the Bible. Other words however were. If you look up “Hell” in a concordance by say passages. You will find that “Hell” in English is applied (and misapplied) to not just one word in Hebrew and another in Greek, not just a single word in both languages, but several words in both the old and new testaments. This presents us with a problem.
If the wicked and evil go to Hell, a place where Satan and Demons torment you for ever and ever… why are good people, believers, even Jesus going to “Hell”? Why is someone like a psalmist or King David going to “Hell”? Let me show you two passages (though there are a few) for you to ponder.
“If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there.” Psalms 139:8
I mean King David did do some bad sins for sure, but we know he isn’t going to go to “Hell”, or we believe he isn’t based on being called “a man after God’s heart”. The fact he was chosen to be Israel’s King and so on. If David is in “Hell” none of us have a chance. Just saying.
That word “Hell” was a different word. Let’s use a concordance for psalm 139:8. I’ll use blue letter bible for this study.
So let’s open up the concordance and see what words are “really” being used and if our concepts “really” hold true.
Since we are only studying “Hell” let’s look at that Hebrew word. Sheol is rendered as the following:
Now I want to break this down just a bit more because of blending of the Hebrew and Greek cultures. Notice that Blue Letter Bibles Concordance renders “Abode of the Dead” yet also lumps in “where the wicked go to be punished”? Again I ask you was David worthy of being labeled as wicked or worthy of being punished? Let me take this one step further then I will answer what I’m asking.
“For people and animals share the same fate—both breathe and both must die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! Both go to the same place—they came from dust and they return to dust.” Ecclesiastes 3:19-20
So since when we die, and animals die we go to Sheol… this means that if “Hell” is what the English use for Sheol, that not only King David, but Moses, Abraham, You and I will all go see the Devil in Hell. Now, what I can tell you is that simply isn’t true. What is however true is people and animals go to the same place Sheol which is the abode of the dead. Not the same place as the wicked go. Let’s look at Bible Study Tools and their rendering of Sheol and ask, does this track better?
So we can see that “Sheol” is the “abode of the dead/pit/grave” according to the Hebrew concept of “what happens when we die”. But when we arrive in the New Testament the Greek mindset has to find a way to explain Sheol to its culture who believes in Good go to one place, Bad go to another. (That Concept is Biblical) but the Hebrew and Greek cultures use different words to achieve this. We have in the Greek culture a place for the Bad people. Let’s see what it could be.
The Hebrew People/Jews at the time of Jesus were pulling in from the Greeks the Word Hades to help explain to those around them where the dead go. The wicked start in Sheol, but then go to a punishment place for the wicked. But the Greeks believed in just an immediate location at death. No place like Sheol where all go, animals, good or bad people. So in an effort to try to understand, Sheol was blended into the Greek and Hades was applied. Hades translates Sheol. Let’s see the meaning of “Hades”.
Blue Letter Bible tells us this about Hades.
We will use this verse. Our concordance tells us the following.
So if we look to Hades we find this…
We find Paganism. Hades or Pluto the “god” of the lower regions. But with most mythology a “gods” name can also be a place. In this case we see “Orcus” or infernal regions. We see it’s uncomfortable and the abode of the wicked. With this blending of cultures we have the concept of “Hell” being born, that in the Old Testament was not a Hebrew Belief. Sheol, (where all go when we die to rest and sleep was common). Sheol was different then Hades as a concept. Hades was where the wicked go to be punished, but is a name of a pagan god. I want to be very clear about what the Bible cautions about adopting practices of other nations and beliefs in pagan practices and other gods. We need to pause for a second so I can make a point.
““You must not have any other god but me. “You must not make for yourself an idol of any kind or an image of anything in the heavens or on the earth or in the sea. You must not bow down to them or worship them, for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God who will not tolerate your affection for any other gods. I lay the sins of the parents upon their children; the entire family is affected—even children in the third and fourth generations of those who reject me. But I lavish unfailing love for a thousand generations on those who love me and obey my commands.” Exodus 20:3-6
““Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods.” Deuteronomy 12:4
““When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, be very careful not to imitate the detestable customs of the nations living there”” Deuteronomy 18:9
So we need to be very clear here. We see Hades is Greek Mythology linked to Greek gods. So is Tartarus (another word the English “Hell” is used for. This hands us down a huge problem. Why are we doing what God tells us not to do in the passages above? Adapting customs of the pagans, taking on their beliefs even. The Bible and God forbid it!!
So now we have an overview of how words and cultures try to understand concepts of others we need to grasp “Hell” can be applied to Hades for sure. What about Tartarus that I mentioned. We can glimpse Wikipedia for a moment to confirm Hades and Tartarus can both apply to “Hell” in English.
Let’s again see Blue Letter Bible for Tartarus.
Tartarus is again a place where evil and wicked go to be tortured and punished. This with Hades totally fits the narrative of the English word “Hell” and possibly even the concept. But we need to actually see the entomology of “Hell” to fully appreciate the Pagan god connection that proves it’s not biblical and certainly not Sheol either. Time for a deeper look, this is going to strain you a bit, when you remember the scripture above calling us not to do as the other nations “pagans” do.
Where does the English word “Hell” get its direct connection?
In Norse Mythology we have the Goddess Hel. That’s right, there is a pagan goddess by that name. Let’s see what we know of her.
In Norse Mythology Hel is said to be the daughter of Loki and Giantess Angrboda. She is said to preside over the location of the same name. The abode of the dead where the wicked go to be punished. She appears as half beautiful woman and half dead zombie like scaly flesh. Around the twelfth to thirteenth century in a work entitled Gylfaginning as a “prose edda” by Snorri Sturluson. She is also mentioned in two other works around the ninth and tenth centuries, one called Heimskringla and the other Egils Saga. This is just common works where she is mentioned.
She was also said to have been appointed by the god Odin to be the ruler of Hel (also a place) and sometimes its name is “Helheim”. The place is also called “Niphlheim”. Also she can be described as half blue and half flesh colored with a scowl.
So, Hel is the Goddess of Hel or Helheim. Loki is the “trickster” god, (hmmm) and Hel is said to rule over the dead, and also the wicked are in that realm. I mean if there was ever a similarity to a place called “Hell” where the adversary (Satan) rules and torments…. One cannot help but to make the connection. A connection to other gods, goddesses, pagan practices and things the Bible stands strongly against.
Saying the Bible speaks of the concept of “Hell” without being able to cite a single chapter or verse where God, Jesus, the Disciples or anybody for that matter, talks of Satan having a kingdom to torment souls forever and ever, and having to make assumptions of what the Bible says without being able to support the claim by a single statement. Where we can clearly see that “Hell” has a direct link to the Goddess Hel and to a place called Hel, and this could be confirmed in Mythology, and also places many other sources. One has to see that there is a problem with the “Hell” as a concept. God nor Christ never once talk about Satan’s Kingdom called “Hell”. They do however discuss the Hebrew word and concept of Sheol (abode of the dead where all go when they die) and even the place where the the wicked go called “the valley of Hinnom”. This place would pick up the Greek name Gehenna. So there is a place for the wicked after all. This part of the “Hell” myth is actually legit. Let’s see what Gehenna is rendered as.
We will see using Blue Letter Bible that “Hell” translates “Gehenna” here.
This the “Lake” or “Valley” of Fire is a real place where the wicked will go. So once again we see a word Gehenna which can also apply to the English word “Hell”, but we see no mention of Satan and Demons running the place. Nor do we see mention of torment for ever and ever, with a human life never ending. But just like Hades and Tartarus, Gehenna does sound like the “Hell” narrative of fire and an ending for the wicked. Sheol however, isn’t what this sounds like. Sheol is where all the dead go, animals and good and evil people. To rest and sleep before resurrection of the dead, judgement, and then one goes to the Kingdom of God or the Lake of Fire (Hinnom/Gehenna) which are akin to the understanding of (Hades/Tartarus). Which again can sound like where the wicked go to be punished “Hell” that we know nowadays.
Alright I know we covered a lot already. But I feel like some out there might be saying, “yeah but, Satan is ruling Hell, you’re arguing from God and Christ not speaking of a concept”. To be fair the Word of God is God and Christ according to John Chapter One.
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1
So if The Word is the Holy Bible, and that Word is God and Christ, then God and Christ are actually speaking about Sheol and Hinnom/Gehenna. But, we need to ask ourselves one question.
If Satan was given a Kingdom, where is he according to the Holy Bible?
We should see God or Christ (the Word) tell us where Satan is… right?
We know that Satan was “Cast Down” for a reason.
“And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven”. Luke 10:18
““How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!” Isaiah 14:12
So we see God casted Satan down, remember why?
“For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’” Isaiah 14:13-14
Satan was banished from living in Heaven because he wanted to be God. Where is Satan now? Like right now? Is he in a place called “Hell”, did God reward Satan’s/Lucifer’s/Devils disobedience with handing him a kingdom to torment souls with? NO, SATAN IS GUESS WHERE…..
“Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” So Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.” Job 1:6-7
When the Bible repeats things it’s kind of important. So once again God asks Satan…. Where have you been? Perhaps this time Satan will say “I’ve been home in Hell tormenting the damned who have died”?
“Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. And the LORD said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Satan answered the LORD and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking back and forth on it.”” Job 2:1-2
How about one more piece of scripture about where Satan is?
“Satan, who is the god of this world, has blinded the minds of those who don’t believe. They are unable to see the glorious light of the Good News. They don’t understand this message about the glory of Christ, who is the exact likeness of God.” 2 Corinthians 4:4
So if Satan is doing to us what he did to Job, (accusing him before God, trying to get us to abandon God) and the Bible says Satan is on earth doing his dirty lying, tempting, and leading people from God…. how is he actually in Hell? The answer is He Isn’t and the Hell mythology doesn’t stand against the Bible. To make the “Hell” theory work, you’ve got to step outside the Bible and bring into it hypotheses, assumptions, traditions, doctrines, and mythology. Or the Hell myth just doesn’t work.
What does work, Creation/Birth, then Life, then Death, then Rest/Sleep in Sheol, then resurrection of the dead, then judgement. From there we receive Kingdom of God (not heaven) or the wicked go to the “Lake of Fire” (Gehenna/Hinnom) to be destroyed by fire.
“For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23
Scripture never says it’s eternal torture by Satan. We need to remember that “Hell” is a combination of pagan beliefs. It comes from the Goddess Hel, and Greek Mythology of Hades and Tartarus. If we claim to be followers of Christ, we must walk out as He did, believe as He did, as His Disciples did, and remember what God says about doing as other nations…
““When you enter the land the Lord your God is giving you, be very careful not to imitate the detestable customs of the nations living there. Deuteronomy 18:9-13
“Anyone who does these things is detestable to the Lord. It is because the other nations have done these detestable things that the Lord your God will drive them out ahead of you.” Deuteronomy 18:12
Instead we are called to…
“But you must be blameless before the Lord your God.” Deuteronomy 18:13
When it comes to my beliefs, I ground them in the Word of God, not Mythology of the Greek and Norse peoples. Not in Pagan practices or beliefs. But the whole, Word of God, the Holy Bible.
May this study Bless you and aide you in discernment.
There is this story of King David in the Holy Bible that often peaks interest to the Bible student. He calls for a census and then seems to get punished by Father/God for it. The two passages we will examine are 2 Samuel 24 and 1 Chronicles 21. We will compare passages, and investigate these two witness statements like an investigator would. Then we will take this into the Hebrew/Jewish context and see what we can learn about why this census was so sinful. With this said let’s get to it.
In the 2 Samuel 24 we have this start.
“Again the anger of the LORD was aroused against Israel, and He moved David against them to say, “Go, number Israel and Judah.”” II Samuel 24:1
This seems like we need to ask ourselves “why did Fathers anger come against Israel”? I think we need to start there with this passage. To do this we need to go to chapter 23 and see.
We know in chapter 23 we have the listing of David’s men. Before that we have David accounting how well he was in his role. In chapter 22 we have him praising Father sure, but also going on about how well Father has taken care of him. This forms something in our minds based on what we know of King David. We know that Father/God prospered him in his battles. This is kind of a big thing. He was unstoppable with Fathers Help. He was great, and this pride or seeing oneself as great could also measure into our discussion today.
We do know if we look to the Hebrew/Jewish understanding on this chapter we learn that it is unclear what causes God’s anger at Israel in this moment. But in order to punish Israel He incites David to number the people of Israel and Judah. Does this mean that God causes people to sin (like David) to punish others? No, we have Rabbis saying that inciting is not commanding. Inciting is putting the idea there and leaving it to a person to choose to carry it out or not.
In the 1 Chronicles 21 narrative we have this solved for us with the writer there changing out the one doing the “inciting”. The writer replaces God with Satan. Let’s look at that passage for a moment.
“Now Satan stood up against Israel, and moved David to number Israel.” I Chronicles 21:1
So we have two accounts, in one we have God moving David to take a census. In the second we have Satan moving David to take the census. This appears to present as a grave conflict to the casual reader. Does this sound like any other conversation we’ve ever read? Yes, we have Job where God and Satan are discussing the state of the earth and God and Satan discuss Job as being righteous. God says “go ahead and test this man”. (See Job One). Perhaps we have in this a similar kind of thing where something else is at hand. Of that I’m not sure, but let’s keep digging into learn what we can.
If we go to a interlinear concordance for our 1 Chronicles 21:1 verse we see rendered for Satan the following….
We see (שָׂטָן) H7854, “satan” pronounced sä·tän is used here. Before you go all “see the devil is used” let’s actually see the definition of this word.
So this could mean Satan proper as the enemy/devil. Yet it could also mean an adversary as a person, people, or nation. So we now have an “adversary” stood against Israel causing David to Number the people. Combine both of the passages together (sort of) and one gets the sense that…
“King David was moved by an adversary (be it divine, human, or nationally) to count Israel and Judah”.
Regardless if it was God or Satan (superhuman/divine) or an adversary (a man/a nation) we know that David was motivated to take a census. We can understand that if it was divine/superhuman that David had a choice, that choice was his, to take the census or to not take the census. Perhaps this is as simple as God/Satan after all. We know that we face daily spiritual warfare just over questions of choosing to follow God/Christ/Holy Spirit or Satan/Demons. We know this extends to the choosing of following God’s ways or man’s ways/worlds ways and so on too. We know this extends to following the Bible or man’s doctrines. So we don’t need to know if it was God or the Satan who placed the census in David’s mind. It was someone outside of David, either divine or of man. David was motivated and he had to make a choice to take or not take that census. Clearly he took it. For our discussion we will say “God or Satan” someone (divine in nature). The reasoning is because one passage says one thing, the other says the other. We know David made the choice to take the census. That’s the important part here. Why was the census sin?
Census taking unless ordered by HaShem/God was taboo. Though it is hard to find the exact reason why it is deemed taboo, with cultures around Israel at this point in history it would seem others thought the same. But to a point, we know the Romans and Pagans liked to keep numbers of their fighting persons. So we can believe that if one is a military leader a census (knowing your fighting men’s number) could help one make better battle decisions. One example could be if the enemy has 1000 men and you only have 150 men, it would be illogical to attack that enemy without divine assistance to guarantee your outcome.
So, we might conclude that the reasoning for it being a “sin” could be that David was (in taking the census) going to rely on the strength of his men (number of soldiers) rather than the Faith in Father/God. Relying on Father is our main drive, not to rely on our own strength.
So the census was a sin, because David was relying on his armies strength rather than his Gods strength. (In my opinion).
However there are more issues with this census. The conflict between was between the man to take the census Joab and King David, or Joab and Adonai/God. There was a conflict based on both accounts. We need to stop and investigate this too. Because this can help explain sin.
In the 2 Samuel 24 account we have the following.
“And Joab said to the king, “Now may the LORD your God add to the people a hundred times more than there are, and may the eyes of my lord the king see it. But why does my lord the king desire this thing?” Nevertheless the king’s word prevailed against Joab and against the captains of the army. Therefore Joab and the captains of the army went out from the presence of the king to count the people of Israel.” II Samuel 24:3-4
Joab and the Army Captains apparently were against King David’s desire to take a census. Standing against your King, your Military Supreme Commander is, not good as a soldier. Joab had the “Captains” with him, so these were commanders themselves. These were the supreme commanders right hands opposing this census. This is something you just don’t do, for fear of committing mutiny, unless you’ve got a good reason to oppose your leader. (Militarily Speaking). So why would they be opposed here?
Going around and taking a census takes a lot of time back then. This means you’re camped longer, vulnerable longer, and less battle ready. But remember 2 Samuel 24 starts with “The Lords anger flared against Israel, and He commanded David to take a census”. So on this account Joab and the Captains would be defying God and the King. King David was also anointed by God. This would be adding to what they had already done (which we don’t know what caused the Lords anger by this passage) so this would bring punishment as well upon Israel as a whole. Or add more to their punishment. This would be rebellion.
But what about the other passage in 1 Chronicles 21?
“And Joab answered, “May the LORD make His people a hundred times more than they are. But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? Why then does my lord require this thing? Why should he be a cause of guilt in Israel?” Nevertheless the king’s word prevailed against Joab. Therefore Joab departed and went throughout all Israel and came to Jerusalem.” I Chronicles 21:3-4
It would appear that Joab is acting with the best interest of Israel. In this account we have an adversary causing David to want to take a census. Are they not all my Lords Servants suggests that perhaps David was looking for a total of fighting men, but perhaps also some who were not legit army members? Why cause guilt in Israel, is said by Joab relating to this census taking of David’s. Perhaps Joab knew David’s motivation was just militarily driven, perhaps Joab knew this census wasn’t divine inspired, or was inspired by Satan…. that’s unclear. What is clear is that taking a census at this moment was taboo perhaps because it had not been asked of by the Kings KING.
In both cases what is clear is that there is an opposition from King David’s right hand staff. Those chosen as Captains. So either the King was motivated by God, or was motivated by an Adversary. But in any case this census was opposed by His Chosen leaders. Again let’s ask if we look through a Torah understanding, why this census might be a “sin”.
According to the Torah, a man may Only count what belongs to him. Israel didn’t belong to King David, Israel belongs to Father/God. King David, like Moses, like Joshua, like any leader was only guiding and leading Israel. Israel belongs to God. Let’s look….
First if something doesn’t belong to him and a man desires to count it, this would be coveting which is a sin.
““You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”” Exodus 20:17
We know Israel is Gods People by several passages. Let’s look at just one.
““For you are a holy people to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you to be a people for Himself, a special treasure above all the peoples on the face of the earth.” Deuteronomy 7:6
Remember, Israel and Judah (Israel fully) belongs to God not David. Besides this, we have God asking Moses to take a count, but each counted person had to provide a ransom.
“Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying: “When you take the census of the children of Israel for their number, then every man shall give a ransom for himself to the LORD, when you number them, that there may be no plague among them when you number them.” Exodus 30:11-12
So regardless if Satan, or Bad council, or a military enemy, or fear, or even God Himself asked King David to take a census, David took a census of people that were not his to number, and no ransom was collected, so this was truly a sin that incurred guilt in Israel as Joab was representing. David was in error. No matter what, or who inspired this error. David also knew his error more clear than we do in the modern age. We know this because in both accounts David states this.
“So David said to God, “I have sinned greatly, because I have done this thing; but now, I pray, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly.”” I Chronicles 21:8
“And David’s heart condemned him after he had numbered the people. So David said to the LORD, “I have sinned greatly in what I have done; but now, I pray, O LORD, take away the iniquity of Your servant, for I have done very foolishly.”” II Samuel 24:10
David in both accounts saw that he had crossed a line taking stock of people by his own desire regardless who inspired him. If God let Satan tempt him then David failed. If David was inspired by an army around him, David failed. If he had bad council he failed. If David just wanted to count them for himself or his own motivation he failed. So for who or why he did it doesn’t matter. David took a census and failed to remember when God/Father calls for one, they are His People and he calls for a ransom to keep plague from hitting them. Israel belongs to God, and without a ransom guilt is incurred. If a man counts Israel (that’s not his but God’s), and that man is in Israel… Israel incurs guilt and its a sin. See David knew he was wrong. He even confessed his actions.
We also see this a bit later.
“Joab the son of Zeruiah began a census, but he did not finish, for wrath came upon Israel because of this census; nor was the number recorded in the account of the chronicles of King David.” I Chronicles 27:24
Gods Wrath fell upon Israel because of this census taken at David’s order by Joab which wasn’t finished (he didn’t count Levi and Benjamin—tribes of). It is my belief that this wrath came because Israel wasn’t King David’s to count but God’s. David had asked for the count and Joab and the Captains felt this was a bad thing to do. But when King David overruled their objection they went to count. Wrath then fell upon them. David failed to obtain a ransom by each man and they were taught a lesson. We see King David confessing his mistake to Father/God. From here we see how this story ends.
We see that Father sends out a plague and in both books 70,000 men of Israel perish. One might say, “this is harsh”, but we have to remember that “God’s anger arose against Israel, and we are not told what wrong they did exactly. We know Fathers Anger arises when people break His Commands. We are left to assume that they had already incurred guilt and now David no matter who or what motivated him added fuel to the fire. These two things combined warranted Father/God taking out 70k men of Israel.
If nothing else we should take away that leaders choices can cost their people dearly for their decisions and a leader needs to make clear and wise choices.
In the end we have a tale of taking a census by a King for reasons that are unclear. Counting a people that he didn’t own, making himself guilty and causing a reminder why we should always make the best possible choices. Father is also JUST and deals with us as He should when we do wrong. David and Israel stood corrected. We also learned a valuable lesson, don’t transgress Fathers/Gods Instructions.
It is always easier to understand what we to is wrong, later on then while we are doing it. As the case of King David in this story.
The answer to this question is King David’s census went against Gods Instructions. But God was already angry with Israel and Israel was already needing punishment. David took a census regardless of who motivated him. Though at this point Trust not in man’s numbers but God’s providence is a main point here. The ransom was also not paid and we then read both Israel and David was punished. This befell because Father had to organize a punishment for Israel having sinned prior to the story. I believe David was used to be the vehicle to having that punishment come about. I also believe that since the Moses had a census and took money for the tabernacle, and David had a census but didn’t take money in for say the Temple which he would not build, but his son would as David only prepared for. A process was not followed here. Perhaps it was well intentioned but miscarried out. No matter which part of the lesson sits with you we see Israel was and King David was taught a lesson. I think we need to follow Fathers ways as He says.
I hope that this helps you with the question asked at the start.
Every so often I get “women specific” Torah questions. I am firstly not “an” or “the” authority. I’m as all of you are, a disciple of Messiah Yeshua/Christ Jesus. With this said however I understand we are all at different levels of understanding. I am happy to be able to share what I’ve learned and understand, with those who are seeking questions of which I may be able to help answer.
Secondly I am NOT a woman. Sooo, I must confess… I don’t make it a habit of studying a lot of woman specific ponderings, until I’m asked, or the topic is one I’m lead to research for a post. Ok, disclaimer over, let’s take this on.
Should a woman (or can one) wear Tzitsit? To answer this we need to ask, “can or should” any of us Grafted In types? (Examined from a Christian who is lead to Torah perspective).
Does the Bible (Gods Instructions/Commands/Torah) Command us to wear these “Tassels” called Tzitsit?
There are two Command specific places in the Torah which tells us to wear them. Let’s check them both.
“Again the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the LORD and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God.” Numbers 15:37-40
Alright, this is the most detailed of the two commandments. Father/God speaks to Moshe/Moses and commands the following….
Speak to the CHILDREN of Israel. We must ask to whom was Father/God referring. Is it possible that Father was referencing just boys, not men? Or perhaps just boys and girls not men and women? It’s possible, but highly unlikely. We know this by measuring the passage by other passages. Let’s look.
““Speak to the children of Israel, saying, ‘These are the animals which you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth:” Leviticus 11:2
Perhaps Father/God was only addressing boys or men. Though it sounds unlikely that He would be excluding girls or women from having to pay attention to the food laws. Perhaps women and girls were not allowed to eat, or perhaps adults could eat anything but only children had to walk out the food restrictions. Ok, that’s just silly. We know the food laws applied to all of Israel. So we can conclude that the children of Israel is in fact ALL Israel. I can offer many passages like this one, but let’s move on.
If we use a concordance we see “children” is H1121 “ben” meaning, offspring of animals or people, but also a characterization, “children of God”, but also a people or nation “Nation Israel” thus children of Israel. We know that children of Israel thus means the entire nation. So did this mean only men were being commanded here? No, children suggests all Israel were included in this. Let’s take a second to see how the Hebrew Bible (Tanakh/Old Testament) renders the same passage.
If we look to the Tanakh in the Sefaria App we can see they don’t even mince words. Speak to whom? “The Israelite People“ is clearly used. Also commentary doesn’t suggest just the children were being spoken to, and the Tanakh renders Israelite People.
Thus again all Israel is commanded
From here we need to ask, are women prohibited in Torah from wearing them? There is no direct negative command (prohibitive warning) against women wearing them, not once.
This brings us to No “Men Only”, positive command, (instead we have a “whole nation” positive command). Follow this up with no prohibition against women wearing them and it’s a pretty good case for women wearing them.
Let’s now turn our attention to the second positive command.
““You shall make tassels on the four corners of the clothing with which you cover yourself.” Deuteronomy 22:12
This is short and right between the eyes. The “You” here is all Israel. Or nothing in this chapter applies to Israel only some of them. The problem is the Torah says “you” and we know for sure that “you” is best understood as Blood Born Israel. How so?
Here is Paul talking to Grafted In/Gentiles/Christians about the “Graft”.
“But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree. But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.” Romans 11:17-18
So we see Fathers/Gods Children is all Nation Israel. This is how we know the You is all Israel. From here what is commanded above?
Make tassels, Israel is to make tassels. Ok with all this said, I have seen some arguments that since Rabbinic Judaism has traditions and doctrines which forbid women and non Jews from wearing them. Also there has been harsh persecution by Jewish men and Rabbis against women breaking their traditions. Let’s look at some of this Jewish Law.
I want to be very clear why I’m doing this, I am NOT hating on the Jewish People, just pointing out some non biblical traditions that cannot be found in the Bible.
I went to Chabad.org as they represent the traditions and customs of the Jewish today. Here are some of their practices. I want to point out that they use the tallit (prayer shawl) as a men’s only garment and since Tzitsit are on those garments, they use this point to make their case.
This gets into the discussion with a “prayer shawl” (called a talit). In this regard women are exempt from this because of the talit issue. Notice women fulfill these Mitzvot (Commands) IF THEY SO DESIRE… but let’s keep looking.
They next cite the reasoning is that a tallit is a “man’s garment” but notice the word traditionally used? This means by their tradition. They also state the issue of a man wearing a woman’s clothing or vice versa. They even go so far as to call it a violation. Again of what, the Bible? No, traditions. But let’s keep looking.
Again they state of a woman is doing something not required and also something the majority of her gender is not doing is calling undue attention to herself (in a bad way). Again according to Tradition. One more time we see the word “tradition” used. Notice they are not saying it violates Torah or violated the Bible? What does it violate….. religious practices which is called Tradition. Quite often we see Rabbis arguing for and against things based on their level of understanding. At some points even reversing prior decisions. Traditions change with leaders, people, centuries, times, politics, religious climates, social pressures, and for far too many reasons to keep listing. Gods Word However Never Changes, just men’s opinion of it. But let’s look at one more.
Notice here we have a Jewish Rabbi writing that if a woman feels called to (desires to) wear one, she may wear a tallit as long as it is distinguishable from a men’s tallit? This keeps men from mistaking her as a man. A similar thing is men with beards or women with dresses etc. This way a man or a woman cannot be mixed up via first glance. Also he adds one should not wear a Tallit as a woman to protest gender issues. wearing a tallit to make a point isn’t kosher (so to speak). It violates the purpose of why wear one. Those called to wear one can.
Got a headache yet? Hold on I need to make one more set of points.
Jewish Tradition, we need to take a moment and examine what Yeshua/Jesus says regarding religious traditions of men, in place of Fathers/Gods Instructions/Commands.
“Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden.” Matthew 23:1-4
We see that the Pharisees were teaching the Torah, but not being the Torah. Saying one thing, doing another. This is a huge issue. But there is more to this.
“Jesus replied, “And why do you, by your traditions, violate the direct commandments of God? For instance, God says, ‘Honor your father and mother,’ and ‘Anyone who speaks disrespectfully of father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say it is all right for people to say to their parents, ‘Sorry, I can’t help you. For I have vowed to give to God what I would have given to you.’ In this way, you say they don’t need to honor their parents. And so you cancel the word of God for the sake of your own tradition.” Matthew 15:3-6
We must be very careful that our traditions do NOT become greater than Fathers/Gods Commands/Torah to us. This is far easier to spot in the religion of Mainstream Christianity, with Man’s Holidays (not Gods Holy Days), Sunday Keeping of man (not Gods Sabbath), Rome’s Calendar (not Gods Calendar) and so on. This is how we have, or why we have 40 thousand denominations in Christianity. 40 thousand opinions of man. Notice in Judaism there is like 15-20 sects of Judaism and not 40 thousand? Why…. Gods Law/Commands/Torah. But what you do have is Men seen as authority, and writings of them taken at nearly or in some cases as equal weight of the scriptures. This is a problem and the religion of Judaism also has its share of traditions (because of this) that are equally not found as “what to do” in the Bible. So now we go back to the Bible and the Two Specific Positive Commands once more…
“Again the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Speak to the children of Israel: Tell them to make tassels on the corners of their garments throughout their generations, and to put a blue thread in the tassels of the corners. And you shall have the tassel, that you may look upon it and remember all the commandments of the LORD and do them, and that you may not follow the harlotry to which your own heart and your own eyes are inclined, and that you may remember and do all My commandments, and be holy for your God.” Numbers 15:37-40
““You shall make tassels on the four corners of the clothing with which you cover yourself.” Deuteronomy 22:12
The thing is, at the end of all this my standing is based on the Word of God. For me, Commentary both Jewish and Christian is opinions based during that time, when a writer is putting their interpretation down. It’s not scripture, but man’s opinion of Gods Word. It is valuable in that it helps us understand better, but it’s not scripture. Man must be second to the Word of God, or you have man’s morality. Man’s mortality is flexible and hands us down things like hypocrisy. So, scripture is what I must go by. Nothing else, no matter how or what I feel about it.
I am also neither technically Christian (as most Christians represent) stating “Jesus did away with God’s Law”, “there is no more sin”, “the Old Testament is just for the Jewish people”. However I am also not Jewish (as the orthodox represent) saying “Jesus is not the Messiah”, “the New Testament isn’t for the Jewish people” and so on. Both are in reality religions. They both have half of the book (The Bible) and they both walk out their part. Both walk out traditions and doctrines that has half the story from the Holy Bible. For me I walk in the Whole Bible, not man’s traditions. No matter the title you use…… Biblical not Religious/Messianic/Hebrew Roots/Torah Observant, Or whatever newest pop cultured term is making rounds this week. Terms are also annoying. But I’m of both religions and neither at the same time.
So with this said, I can see Father/God commanding his nation to wear Tzitsit. This I can see. From all this said here, this is my stance.
I BELIEVE since the Bible never forbids woman from wearing them, since women are also children, since the only objections are traditions in Judaism and not specifically found in scripture…. this then forms my opinion that a woman can wear them just like a man can. Even SHOULD since there are two pieces of scripture saying Israel is commanded to. This is just my understanding.
We know that men clearly wore them. We know in the first century religious men certainly did wear them. We know Yeshua/Jesus wore them as we can read where the woman with the issue of blood touched His fringe/hem/tassel depending on your bibles translation. However to my knowledge I cannot say specifically that women wore them prior to the first century, or even in that time period. I have not found any writings outside the Bible about them. I can say that religious tradition does have specific roles men and women could play in those times.
What I have is the Holy Bible. I have the same scripture Yeshua/Jesus quoted from. The Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) and the New, where He and His Disciples walked it out. It is possible women never wore them. But it is equally possible that some did, or all did. This I cannot definitively say. Again I am Grafted In and not Jewish. This means I do not follow Jewish Traditions. However I walk out my bible as best I can knowing the Christian and Jewish reasons for why they do what they do. Yet walk The Way of Christ/Messiah standing between both houses of the two Major Religions the same as Jesus/Yeshua did. I walk out the Faith of the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob while not being pinned down to a specific religion where man attempts to control the Biblical Faith. I will also say, I could be wrong, if someone could point out bible verses that I may have overlooked. (Not commentary)
In conclusion, I do not see any Scriptural Objection to women wearing Tzitsit. I do not see any command for a woman to not wear them. I do see two places in scripture where the “children of Israel” are positively commanded and I can even add scripture that calls us to be set apart, a peculiar people. To me tassels would do that. I can see Yeshua/Jesus warning us to not let traditions stand against Gods Commands. The only objections I can find are religious traditions. With all this said, I believe any woman who feels drawn to wear them can. Yet, I am not a person who commands anything. I’m not your Rabbi, Pastor, Priest, or Teacher. I’m just a man trying to walk a disciples walk in modern times, sharing what he learns along the way. A man who thinks himself biblical not religious.
I would suggest if you feel lead to Tzitsit as a woman, you should follow that road where the Holy Spirit takes you. After all we follow Yeshua/Jesus as the Word made Flesh. Not men claiming to follow Yeshua/Jesus, after all He is our High Priest, bridegroom, and savior. Hope this helped.
In the unstable and uncertain world we live in today it’s common to find people declaring Christ/Messiah calling out against the government saying they will rebel against it one way or another. There is all the talk of the “mark of the beast”, and calls for people to stand up against all kinds of things. If we profess Christ/Messiah we need to ask ourselves “what did He do, teach, and expect us to do”?
We know by the Gospels what He actually did. We have the witness statements from each incident. Here is what we know about the religious leaders, the political leaders, and the government leaders of the first century.
We know there were leading religious classes within the Hebrew/Jewish people of that day. The Sanhedrin was both a court of biblical law, but also the former of religious policy.
We know that there were two classes of religious leaders. We know that one seemed to be more “literal” interpreters of scripture. We know that the other was more about oral tradition style interpretation. This meant that they believed the interpretations by leaders carried a very almost similar weight as the scripture itself. We know there was conflict in the Sanhedrin because it was comprised of both groups. One was in control of the temple and the other was in control of Synagogues. However with this said, because of the heavy political and legal climate they were essentially governing Israel. Yet were governed.
Being that politics and compromise were the order of the day, quite often corruption (heavy Roman influence) found its way in. The leading class of Israel were also themselves being ruled by Rome and had to submit to them. Romans knew how to control people. They had to, quite often Rome ruled with a limited number of people in places where the numbers of the people they were ruling were significantly greater. So we have Rome parsing out some duties like “tax collection” to the Jews. This way if they lost a Tax Collector to violence, at least they were not losing a Roman. This was the sad reality of their viewpoint. This is just one example of Roman Ruling and decision making.
Rome asked (more like demanded) the Hebrew/Jewish religious and Political Leaders to keep their people in line. In reality, Roman Government was “In Charge” and if the Hebrew/Jewish Religious Leaders clashed with Rome, Rome was the default authority. This is seen over and over historically when the Hebrew/Jewish people had to obey their overseers. It was a loose captivity, but captivity none the less. The Religious Leaders Governed up until their power was muted by Rome. This is evident in the crucifixion and trial of Yeshua/Jesus. Let’s look at two such places.
“But they cried out, “Away with Him, away with Him! Crucify Him!” Pilate said to them, “Shall I crucify your King?” The chief priests answered, “We have no king but Caesar!”” John 19:15.
This was their way of pledging allegiance to Rome. Because if they didn’t it was quite possible Rome would have attacked them. Rome would have seen any revolt no matter how small worthy of being stomped out by force.
“And one of them, Caiaphas, being high priest that year, said to them, “You know nothing at all, nor do you consider that it is expedient for us that one man should die for the people, and not that the whole nation should perish.”” John 11:49-50
This was because Yeshua/Jesus was causing a stir and many people were following Him. Disturbances were happening and Romans didn’t like anything that upset the status quo. Not to mention unified the people, which could mean a threat to Roman influence. The Religious Leadership knew that if this continued Roman troops would likely be sent to quell any thought of a disturbance and we see even the High Priest siding with Rome and also the attempt to get the threat to himself out of the way. For the Religious Leaders this was a win win. After all Messiah/Christ was preaching against the Pharisees hypocrisy and that threatened their social/political statuses.
“Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. “Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’” Matthew 23:1-7
Now that we’ve set the stage I want to segway into rebellion as that is the theme of this post. The question we need to ask is “Does the Bible or Christ/Messiah teach us to rebel against the government”? Also a second question to follow up with is, “are we to just blankety obey the government, or can we oppose it, and if so how”?
We need to first understand what rebellion is and is not. Rebellion wasn’t the action of just disagreeing with politics. Rebellion wasn’t simply saying “no I will not”. Rebellion is for all intensive purposes taking that “no” and then backing it up with action. Demonstrations, and even actions of violence were often used to rebel against those in charge. The results were often, painfully won by the oppressors at cost of the rebels lives. Rebels (people branded as such) usually were tried in public forum as a spectacle to keep others from carrying on the rebellion. The government often demanded the people turn in rebels, and out of fear they did so. In 2020/5780 we’ve seen coronavirus, during this virus with people filled with fear of the disease spreading (news media pushing that fear) we’ve seen people turn in other people for not wearing face masks, for being at their own businesses, and for gathering in yards, churches, and on beaches. We’ve seen police utilized to “handle” those reports with citations and arrests which break the constitution. We have seen the government able to go beyond the constitution because the people have handed them the capability aiding them doing so. Why? Because fear is a great tool and the Romans knew this, using it to their advantage often.
Ok, with this said…. does Jesus/Yeshua EVER rebel?
People will cite Yeshua/Jesus rebelling against the Pharisees with the passage from earlier. We have Him scolding the Pharisees often and in public. We also have the incident of the “money changers” tables where He flips them over and drives those doing said activity from the Temple. We need to ask ourselves, is it rebellion, or correction?
“In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God. God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.” John 1:1-3.
I think we can agree that, Yeshua/Jesus was not an “ordinary man”, that the “Word” was Jesus and that we can read Messiah/Christ was not only with God/Father but is also God/Father. That they are one. If we cannot agree on these points, you’re not walking Biblically. (I’m not accusing the Bible is). So if Yeshua/Jesus Is God that makes Him the AUTHORITY!!
If Jesus is God, this means He can correct anybody He finds is breaking His Fathers Law/Torah. That’s really this simple. God can correct and rebuke anybody who is walking outside of His ways. The Father and Son are ONE!! So is it rebellion that Gods Son corrects the religious leaders (and ours today) of the first century? No, they technically work for Him. They are supposed to be following what they teach and yet DO NOT, so He is trying to put His workers back to the task. When Yeshua/Jesus chastised them it wasn’t rebellion, but a loving and lawful thing to do. A Father providing correction through His Son the Ambassador.
Let’s see something powerful for a second.
“Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach……. (excerpt from the Matt 23:1-7 passage above)
If Yeshua/Jesus was teaching rebellion He wouldn’t have said “PRACTICE AND OBEY WHATEVER THEY TELL YOU”. Instead He warns the listening to not do what they do. But follow what they say. Rebellion would have been “do not listen to the scribes and Pharisees”. Rebellion would have been “Let’s kick them out of the synagogue”. Instead Messiah/Christ tells people to Obey their teachings, because they are the religious authority.
Now Jesus/Yeshua is God and has all the power of His Father at His discretion, we need to keep this in mind. If He wanted to Rebel, He easily could have.
Lets take on the arguement of the “clearing theTemple”. We know that God and Christ are one. So when it comes to the temple we need to understand that it’s not rebellion for a property owner or his ambassador or caretaker, or in this case the Fathers Son to take action against a wrong being done on that property.
Let’s say you own a house, one nite while sleeping a man breaks into your house and starts spray painting graffiti all over it, or perhaps is stealing your things, or perhaps is there to kill you. Would you the property owner have the right to chase off the bad guy, or defend your life and your families life against the person trying to kill you? Of course you can!!!
Let’s say you are away and only your thirty year old son is at home, can he defend your property and his life? Of course he can!!! It is lawful in both cases.
We hopefully can agree that Yeshua/Jesus is the SON OF GOD!!!
The Temple is the HOUSE OF GOD, in that century. Let’s see what Yeshua tells His Mother Mary and earthly Father Joseph.
“Three days later they finally discovered him in the Temple, sitting among the religious teachers, listening to them and asking questions. All who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. His parents didn’t know what to think. “Son,” his mother said to him, “why have you done this to us? Your father and I have been frantic, searching for you everywhere.” “But why did you need to search?” he asked. “Didn’t you know that I must be in my Father’s house?”” Luke 2:46-49.
This is not rebellion as Yeshua/Jesus is defending His Fathers House. We know the reason He overturns the tables and drives them out don’t we?
“Jesus entered the Temple and began to drive out all the people buying and selling animals for sacrifice. He knocked over the tables of the money changers and the chairs of those selling doves. He said to them, “The Scriptures declare, ‘My Temple will be called a house of prayer,’ but you have turned it into a den of thieves!”” Matthew 21:12-13.
The people were buying and selling in the temple. This was making the Temple common space. By buying and selling, by trading money in the Temple they were actually profaning this sacred and holy place. Making the Temple as common as a marketplace. One brought the sacrifice to the temple, didn’t buy one at the temple. This was a huge insult to both the Son and the Father. Yeshua/Jesus was again correcting the issue on His Fathers (thus His) property. Not a case of rebellion. Rebellion would have looked like driving everybody out, not just those who were violating the sanctity of the Temple. Or better yet, rebellion would have been Jesus ordering His Followers to “take the temple by force”. Those last two didn’t happen, thus no rebellion.
Since these are the biggest arguments people offer to say Jesus/Yeshua is a rebel, we need to look at times where He could have used His Fathers Power. After all He is God.
The first time I wish to mention is at the Temple. When questioned about having to pay taxes to Roman authorities Yeshua/Jesus tells the group this.
“Later the leaders sent some Pharisees and supporters of Herod to trap Jesus into saying something for which he could be arrested. “Teacher,” they said, “we know how honest you are. You are impartial and don’t play favorites. You teach the way of God truthfully. Now tell us—is it right to pay taxes to Caesar or not? Should we pay them, or shouldn’t we?” Jesus saw through their hypocrisy and said, “Why are you trying to trap me? Show me a Roman coin, and I’ll tell you.” When they handed it to him, he asked, “Whose picture and title are stamped on it?” “Caesar’s,” they replied. “Well, then,” Jesus said, “give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and give to God what belongs to God.” His reply completely amazed them.” Mark 12:13-17.
If Yeshua/Jesus was leading a rebellion this would have been a perfect time to tell Rome to give up on collecting taxes from the Hebrew/Jewish people. He could have said “we will not pay”, the crowd would have revolted and a revolution would have begun. But instead He says to pay the taxes to Cesar as the taxes and money used belong to him. If we are supposed to revolt against the government wouldn’t Jesus have said, don’t pay taxes? Jesus wasn’t a rebel. Not according to the proper grasp of the wording.
This next point I need to make is, Yeshua/Jesus could have easily gone the rebel route when the mass of people wanted to forcibly make Him King. Let’s look.
“When the people saw him do this miraculous sign, they exclaimed, “Surely, he is the Prophet we have been expecting!” When Jesus saw that they were ready to force him to be their king, he slipped away into the hills by himself.” John 6:14-15.
When leading a rebellion you need to unify people to your cause. You need the mass of people (in this case at least 5,000 men as a starting place) to side with you and form an army with one goal in mind. We see this a lot today in the news like recently when a group of people angry that a black man was killed by a White Officer and the result was later on the group rioted, stealing things from stores (robbery/looting/burglary) and setting things on fire (arson) and destroying property (vandalizing) things. The group unified over their beliefs, But rebels slipped in and got many to cheer on and participate in criminal activity. They then got emotionally charged and went on said crime spree. Stealing a tv, looting a store, and burning down businesses has no justice for what happened to the man killed in police custody. If it does, this means the honor of that man is nothing more than criminal. However this example shows what true rebellion looks like, criminal behavior. Perhaps not all of them, but many of them. They were unified for a common goal but without leadership they became an unruly mob. Well, to run a rebellion you need to vilify your opposition and unite people to your cause. But without a leader it’s just a mob. We see this played out over and over. Yeshua/Jesus is here not making a mob, not forming a rebellion. He clearly had the masses of people (at least 5,000 men) as a start. Because of His popularity among the people He could have easily clashed with Rome. Instead of getting people set to fight, He walks away. Instead of allowing people to get charged up then walking away, leaving no leader. He walks away before the 5,000 plus group can turn into an unruly mob set on destructive means. Yeshua/Jesus takes the peaceful approach and goes off by Himself before the crowd can get too changed up and become a mob. If He was leading a rebellion, He would have formed the people into a fighting machine motivating them by hateful words. He doesn’t do that, but quite the opposite.
If Yeshua/Jesus was a revolutionary He would have not had just 12 Disciples but would have formed a large camp of over the 5,000 traveling as a brigade or platoon every place He went. He would have commanded them to arm up and fight to the death. However he left the masses of people walking away and remained mostly with His Disciples. To lead a rebellion you need an army of fighters. Now if there was a time when a rebellion should have kicked off, perhaps the Arrest of Messiah/Christ was the perfect time.
We have the Authorities (a mix of Roman and Hebrew/Jewish religious leaders, soldiers/temple guards and servants) all going out at night to make an arrest of this so called rebel named Yeshua/Jesus. (This was against Torah). During the arrest you have a moment of rebellion by one of Jesus followers. We need to look at this incident more closely to see if Messiah/Christ was in rebellion, and what does He do about the Rebellion He witnessed.
“The leading priests and Pharisees had given Judas a contingent of Roman soldiers and Temple guards to accompany him. Now with blazing torches, lanterns, and weapons, they arrived at the olive grove.” John 18:3.
They sent an army to arrest Messiah/Christ. A mix of those in power. A man who had never actually threatened anybody or displayed violence against another. A man who continually made an effort to walk righteously and in line with Torah/Fathers Commands. Clearly this man was perceived as a threat even peacefully. We see what happens as we continue reading.
“Jesus fully realized all that was going to happen to him, so he stepped forward to meet them. “Who are you looking for?” he asked. “Jesus the Nazarene,” they replied. “ I AM he,” Jesus said. (Judas, who betrayed him, was standing with them.) As Jesus said “ I AM he,” they all drew back and fell to the ground! Once more he asked them, “Who are you looking for?” And again they replied, “Jesus the Nazarene.” “I told you that I AM he,” Jesus said. “And since I am the one you want, let these others go.”” John 18:4-8.
A rebel doesn’t want their faces to be seen for fear they will be held accountable. Look at today “ANTIFA”.
If they were lawfully abiding citizens they wouldn’t care who knew what they said. If they were behaving legally, they wouldn’t need to conceal their identity. Yeshua/Jesus asks them “who they are looking for”, then when they say it’s Him, He repeatedly says “I am He”. A rebel doesn’t want to be known. Want to be found out. Jesus was no rebel.
Some rebellion did happen by one of His Own Disciples, and we need to see did Jesus call out to His Disciples to fight on a His behalf, like a rebel would?
“Then Simon Peter drew a sword and slashed off the right ear of Malchus, the high priest’s slave. But Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword back into its sheath. Shall I not drink from the cup of suffering the Father has given me?”” John 18:10-11.
Lets look at another report.
“When the other disciples saw what was about to happen, they exclaimed, “Lord, should we fight? We brought the swords!” And one of them struck at the high priest’s slave, slashing off his right ear. But Jesus said, “No more of this.” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.” Luke 22:49-51.
In both John and Luke’s accounts we see Yeshua/Jesus stopping the act of rebellion against the Authorities. Jesus speaks against the rebellion, even criticized His man who cut of the others ear. Not to mention heals the man His Disciple maimed. When one preaches Jesus as a rebel, or accuses Him of leading a rebellion, they prove they are unlearned of who Christ/Messiah actually is. Perhaps conveniently forgets how Yeshua/Jesus behaved. A rebel would have asked for His men to fight the others and also would not have healed the injured man. But we need to look at more.
“Then Jesus spoke to the leading priests, the captains of the Temple guard, and the elders who had come for him. “Am I some dangerous revolutionary,” he asked, “that you come with swords and clubs to arrest me? Why didn’t you arrest me in the Temple? I was there every day. But this is your moment, the time when the power of darkness reigns.”” Luke 22:52-53.
By Yeshua/Jesus asking this question He was in fact stating He wasn’t a revolutionary. All of His actions proved that statement correct. He followed His Fathers Instructions/Torah. He restored the man’s ear claimed by the sword. Making restitution as the Torah demands. The only people calling Him that repeatedly were the religious leaders who were threatened by the biblical truth He was sharing in His day. Similarly we see the religious today accuse the followers of Christ and the Torah Observant Christians of the very same things. So Yeshua/Jesus and the Bible still threaten man’s religions even to this very day.
Another time a rebellion might have been called for was when He was being nailed to the cross, or tortured and so on. But He didn’t call the disciples and the people to attack Rome. He also didn’t ask to be freed by their hands with acts of violence. Instead, He submitted to the authority, and was lead through the streets, carrying a cross, allowed Himself to be nailed to it, and died at the hands of the Religious Leaders and Roman Government. No revolution, no bloodbath of a war in rebellion. No, instead He says,
“Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they don’t know what they are doing.” And the soldiers gambled for his clothes by throwing dice.” Luke 23:34.
The thing is Jesus was not leading a rebellion, nor was He calling for one. This means that we can see what He said about Hate or Anger also. The problem with following Jesus is that you cannot just “wing it” or do it your way. You have to let the Bible guide our steps. So let’s see what Jesus taught about hate.
““You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.’ But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.” Matthew 5:21-24.
Before you offer to God be reconciled to to your brother. This is huge. But this is Christ/Messiahs teaching. We also see a few other points. Let’s see what Paul says,
“Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves.” Romans 13:1-2.
What about what Peter says?
“Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord’s sake, whether to the king as supreme, or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good. For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men— as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.” I Peter 2:13-16.
We are to do good. Good is following Fathers/Gods Instructions walking rightly. Therefor if we are walking good our leaders will also be over us who themselves are good, because we will choose good leaders. But, if we are evil our leaders will also be the same. He too calls us to submit to leadership.
Today there is a lot of rebellion being preached. It’s in our media, on our news, in our music. Don’t like police, then rebel. Don’t like government, then rebel. Don’t like taxes, then rebel. There is a lawless spirit of rebellion in today’s culture. Don’t like the Bible, rebel. Don’t like science, then rebel. Don’t like sexual purity, then rebel. We are a wicked, evil, and rebellious lot. So we support legalizing sin, we pick leaders based on who will make it happen. They are evil and do evil. Then we complain about it. We the people chose our kings based on them legislating sins. Why would they ever be righteous? What does the Bible say about choosing a king? Remember Israel demanded one once… before a king they had a Prophet who was lead by God. What does the Bible say there?
“Then all the elders of Israel gathered together and came to Samuel at Ramah, and said to him, “Look, you are old, and your sons do not walk in your ways. Now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.”” I Samuel 8:4-5
“So Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who asked him for a king. And he said, “This will be the behavior of the king who will reign over you: He will take your sons and appoint them for his own chariots and to be his horsemen, and some will run before his chariots. He will appoint captains over his thousands and captains over his fifties, will set some to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and some to make his weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. He will take your daughters to be perfumers, cooks, and bakers. And he will take the best of your fields, your vineyards, and your olive groves, and give them to his servants. He will take a tenth of your grain and your vintage, and give it to his officers and servants. And he will take your male servants, your female servants, your finest young men, and your donkeys, and put them to his work. He will take a tenth of your sheep. And you will be his servants. And you will cry out in that day because of your king whom you have chosen for yourselves, and the LORD will not hear you in that day.” Nevertheless the people refused to obey the voice of Samuel; and they said, “No, but we will have a king over us, that we also may be like all the nations, and that our king may judge us and go out before us and fight our battles.”” I Samuel 8:10-20
Samuel warns Israel that to be like other nations, their kings do what they want, not what God wants. Eventually they become corrupt and make it hard for the people and the people cry out. We hear that God will not listen to the grumbling of Israel about their king, who they instead wanted a man to be king instead of God to be their king.
What about Israel? They were slaves several times over. In each occasion they didn’t rebel or cause a huge revolt. What about Moses? Didn’t he kill a Egyptian who was beating a Hebrew slave? Yes, but he commanded nobody to revolt. Instead Moses the murderer ran away into the lands feeling the pains of killing a man. No revolt!! What about Moses leading the people out of captivity? Ten times Moses went to pharaoh and said Father/God demanded the people be set free. They didn’t revolt, every time pharaoh said no, they stayed as slaves. It wasn’t until pharaoh told them to leave that the exodus began. Rebellion isn’t of the Bible.
If we follow Messiah/Christ He tells us to follow His Commands. Though He links them to the Torah. Love God, Love Others as ones self. The Bible lets us know the definition of love even. Let’s look,
“Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.” 1 Corinthians 13:4-7.
Using the Bible’s “love definition” we can see things like domestic issues are not love. We can see hate can never be love. We can see like today those who burn others things, loot, rob, destroy, and kill have not love but hate, and have not Christ but Satan. One cannot love while committing murder, cannot love while looting etc.
What about Jesus saying “an eye for an eye”?
““You have heard the law that says the punishment must match the injury: ‘An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say, do not resist an evil person! If someone slaps you on the right cheek, offer the other cheek also. If you are sued in court and your shirt is taken from you, give your coat, too. If a soldier demands that you carry his gear for a mile, carry it two miles. Give to those who ask, and don’t turn away from those who want to borrow.” Matthew 5:38-42
Alright I believe I’ve proven my answer to the first question. “What does Messiah/Christ teach and expect us to do?
To answer the next part, “do we blindly have to submit all the time to authority, or is there a time we can resist”? We must again use the Bible to help us know if we always have to do what all authority says, or perhaps there are times we can resist, without rebellion.
We can resist. But we cannot rebel or cause a revolution. We can fill out petitions, we can even protest. These I see no objection to. But when we cross a line of peaceful lawful protest to the place of lawless behavior or even commit criminal acts we leave Christ/Messiah behind.
I want to be clear, very clear here. Peaceful protests are not rebellion or unlawful. Burning homes, cars, businesses, looting (stealing), beating others, killing them this is rebellion. Rebellion is an Anti-Christ behavior. Without the Law of God/Torah to tell you about your sin, you are lawless (like much of the Christian Church is today) and without Gods/Fathers measure of morality to guide you, you only have man’s corrupt sense of morality. One resting in the world and on Satan. The same flawed morality that says one race is more valuable, or a baby in the womb has no value but when born does. The same morality that allows a mother to kill the baby as long is it’s done by a doctor in said womb. Man’s morality is flexible. It allows mob mentality, it gives us lawlessness, hands us rebellion, and changes based on popular opinion, social media, and even calls for Social Justice instead of Biblical Justice. It’s based in sin not Gods Ways. It’s evil and perverse at best. Without God’s Ways we legalize sin. But, with this said….
Rebellion in its real form is never allowed, biblically speaking. However, there is a time to stand up for Father, Son, Spirit, and Bible. How you do this, will tell if you’re wrong in rebellion or right in resistance. All of the disciples except for one (I believe) were put to death Martyred for standing up for Biblical Faith and Beliefs. Many have been sense. They never started a rebellion, never called others to take up arms and fight. Never committed crimes. But they did stand up and they paid the price of it. However, through the Bible we see others being asked to stand up for God. They were kept safe. I want to look at just one. Because I feel there are times we can resist rightly. But never truly rebel.
King Nebuchadnezzar made a gold statue ninety feet tall and nine feet wide and set it up on the plain of Dura in the province of Babylon. Then he sent messages to the high officers, officials, governors, advisers, treasurers, judges, magistrates, and all the provincial officials to come to the dedication of the statue he had set up.
Then a herald shouted out, “People of all races and nations and languages, listen to the king’s command! When you hear the sound of the horn, flute, zither, lyre, harp, pipes, and other musical instruments, bow to the ground to worship King Nebuchadnezzar’s gold statue. Anyone who refuses to obey will immediately be thrown into a blazing furnace.”” Daniel 3:1-2, 4-6
Here is the ruling king making a statement that has everybody who is Hebrew and walks Gods Instructions/Torah Must take up bowing (worshipping) a statue of the King. This is the sin of idolatry. This is a huge problem to Anyone walking biblically. “Do this or die” is powerful. Everybody bows but three men. These three don’t call for the Hebrew people to rebel and riot. They instead, stand in faith…. ready to be put to death for their loyalty to God/Father. They even try to explain they will serve the king faithfully, but cannot violate Gods Commands. Out of thousands of people three young men remain on their feet. Just picture it. Peaceful, non-violent, non-criminal behavior. One could say it was a peaceful protest.
“Nebuchadnezzar said to them, “Is it true, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, that you refuse to serve my gods or to worship the gold statue I have set up? I will give you one more chance to bow down and worship the statue I have made when you hear the sound of the musical instruments. But if you refuse, you will be thrown immediately into the blazing furnace. And then what god will be able to rescue you from my power?” Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego replied, “O Nebuchadnezzar, we do not need to defend ourselves before you.” Daniel 3:14-16.
They stand knowing what is coming next, the possibility of death. But they would rather die than to break Torah. Their statement should challenge most of us, as we tend to cave in at the first sign of trouble. We would rather be invisible than stand out for God. We conform to all the worlds demands typically. Don’t we?
The “church” has taken up pagan holidays letting go of Leviticus 23, most worship on Sunday and ignore the Sabbath, most say Jesus did away with God’s Law, did away with sin, and flagrantly walk in that sin while continually dipping in the blood of Christ like a bubble bath. Most follow men’s false teachings, and ignore the Bible. A lot make idols and call them “icons”, worship the saints and even the mother of Jesus. Yet ignore Christ as the Word. Let’s see what the three men do.
“If we are thrown into the blazing furnace, the God whom we serve is able to save us. He will rescue us from your power, Your Majesty. But even if he doesn’t, we want to make it clear to you, Your Majesty, that we will never serve your gods or worship the gold statue you have set up.”” Daniel 3:17-18
“Even if God doesn’t”. This is lost on the church today. We ask God to move and when He doesn’t we tend to then say, “forget it” leaving our faith behind, because it wasn’t really faith one had who does that…. but religion. Faith instead teaches us these men would rather die than to defy Gods Commands.
They are tossed into the fire and in that moment should have died. however they live. Not even being singed nor smell like fire. However many others are martyred. None started a rebellion. But this day they resisted. However, you better know and practice Gods Commands if you intend to stand on them, or you will certainly find a faster death. Death on earth isn’t loss if you really understand what your Bible is telling you. If you’re walking Gods Ways.
There are times one can stand ones ground and resist. However when it comes to taking that resistance and making that into a riot, or a rebellion then you have issues. Now I want to explain one more thing. We have the right to protect ourselves. However, if one has done wrong that right no longer seems to apply legally. Like, you can’t murder someone and when being arrested fight off the police who have come to take you to stand and face judgement. One cannot be made a hero while being a criminal. However society says criminals are glorified and good people deserve to perish. This is a similar issue to the First Century. Barabas was a “revolutionary” meaning he lead people in rebellion and riots. Some say he even killed people. Yet the people called for Jesus crucifixion and called for Barabas to be released. We see this theme played out today in society when people committing criminal acts are championed and those who come to arrest them are vilified. The reason, people love sin more than God.
Besides this we need to understand that Israel was a nation of warriors. However they were directed at first by Prophets who were instructed by Father/God, and later leaders and kings. Those had God on their side. Then after this time they followed just men into battles and wars.
Now I want to step outside the Bible for a moment and look at an extra biblical text. I want to explain one more time when resistance was met.
We know that the Temple is the House of God. This was the Holy Place, sacred place of Gods People walking around in the first century. We know any defilement of it, is seen as being done by Satan himself and the Temple was worth protecting at all costs. So we have an actual revolt that was for the best purpose (if there ever was one). A fight for the temple.
The “Maccabean Revolt” is found in the book of Maccabees which is an extra biblical text. (Meaning it is outside of the Canonized Books found in our bibles). So why did the Jews revolt? This was not over a trivial issue. Not like paying taxes, or wages earned, or being treated badly. No, this revolt was over something larger than any man.
The Seleucids under Antiochus III controlled much of the Arabian Peninsula forcibly converting many of its new populace to Greek culture and religion and the intent in that hegemony continued as they took Jerusalem. Antiochus wanted to Hellenize (convert them to Hellenism) the Jewish community. He sets out to try to force the Jews to break the laws or Leave their God. Over and over forcing those to accept the Greek Ways and in one moment makes a massive move.
He opts to sacrifice a pig in the Temple as an offering to their god Zeus. This particular defilement and the persecution of the Jews forcing them to break Gods Laws is what caused the revolt. Within this revolt they battled against Antiochus and his troops, then set out destroying pagan idols and so on. They also cleaned and re dedicated the Temple from the defilement and this is where Hanukkah came from. So here we have an actual rebellion or revolt against the authority because of the defilement of the temple.
Before you go all “see I can revolt against the government” based on the books of Maccabees we need to remember something. We need to see all of the above first. We also have no temple anymore. It’s destroyed. Churches are not the Temple. Modern churches are not even really sacred, for we worship on the “Venerable day of the Sun”, when we are supposed to Rest and Gather on Sabbath. We follow pagan and man’s holidays and not Leviticus 23. We believe and walk out pagan and other nations practices, and even stand against Gods Word in them. We even say Jesus changed Gods Law/Instruction/Torah in them. We even hold pig roasts on Sunday at them. Our churches are not the Temple and we have defiled them. We have homosexual marriages in them, and have even allowed homosexual pastors in them. The Bible sadly doesn’t support sexual idolatry for leadership. This is not my opinion, that these things are wrong. The Bible tells us what’s right or wrong. But we have defiled our churches and that causes them to be unclean. Just like offering a pig to Zeus.
We need to understand if we are going to revolt, it needs to be found somewhere in scripture 100% that the reason for the revolt is based somehow upon Gods Law, and one needs to make sure they are in defense of something Godly. Or one is starting a rebellion based upon defilement already.
Alright there you have it. The Bible doesn’t teach rebellion, but allows for resistance (as long as it’s the biblical form). Jesus never was in rebellion, never taught rebellion, never demanded people to rebel. Rebellion is hate based usually. That’s not biblical by itself. There are times when we can resist, stand up, but we shouldn’t call for true rebellion which often breeds criminal actions in today’s society.
With this all said, there are times in biblical resistance where one can stand up and fight. But if you’re going to do so, you better make sure 100% you’ve got biblical backing, or you will become nothing more than a criminal. Once you do that, you’ve left God and Christ behind.
In the end, Jesus never taught rebellion, called for rebellion, but the Bible seems to allow for peaceful resistance. Though we also have the right to defend ourselves and others. I would suggest be very careful with your actions, for rebellion not biblically sound is in itself sin.
One must be able to base ones actions on the Torah/on Jesus teachings/ on the Bible. If one cannot, then one is in error. Lastly, we will all be judged by our actions so try to walk as approved, or perish as a lawless sinner.
I say all this to say, I am not sure where I personally fit into this lesson. I know I will not take a vaccine, I will not take a microchip, I will not support or bow to any person who demands I give up my faith, worship foreign gods, or do anything ungodly. So if I’m ever put in a “do this or die“ I too will chose to die rightly over defying Father/God any more than I already have done. But I will make sure before I do anything I will see what Torah/Fathers Commands and His Son Yeshua/Jesus Taught and did. I will not act of my own accord or feelings, but would rather try to remain as Biblical and Lawful as I can.
Be careful with your actions.
In conclusion we shouldn’t be true rebels, like antifa. But we can stand up for God, Christ, and the Bible as long as we stand on the Law of God correctly. But we better know it and used it as intended or we risk becoming nothing more than lawless criminals who have stepped outside of God/Father and Christ/Messiah. May you always walk biblically.
Christianity, when you hear the word you think of an American Staple. After all “one nation under God” was at one time a powerful statement. The old historical documents contained mention of God on a fairly regular basis and The Declaration of Independence written in 1776 mentioned just who was supposed to be guiding men in the first place. Though many work to remove God from ever having anything to do with anything. I bet it pained the writer of this quote to even mention Him in the first place. This person used “supreme being” and “creator” to avoid actually giving the “creator” His recognition. But nevertheless, we know who this “Creator” is. God.
“The resulting Declaration of Independence, drafted by Thomas Jefferson and edited by his fellow delegates, contains a theory of rights that depends on a Supreme Being, not man, for its validity. The Declaration states that “all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.”” http://www.allthingsliberty.com
It is my opinion that this “soft wording” was intentional so as not to offend other religions, or make anybody feel uncomfortable. Sadly a downturn in society to always try to appease everybody else. Nowhere in any declaration does it ever say “you have the right not to have your feelings hurt”….. though many will cancel you for saying this. I digress…..
After all why was America actually founded?
Wait….. hang on what!!! So if you actually can’t remember what people moving here from other countries have to kinda learn, don’t worry, most Americans sadly don’t know, understand, or appreciate the vast details that are actually being erased or torn down as we speak. Most Americans don’t know basic American history, because they attended public schools and were not taught all truth. Mostly narratives to suit causes nowadays.
Heck if you “google it” (I don’t mean to form a internet company but mean look it up, because once we used history books that were unbiased) you will find a royal mess of truth vs lies, half truths, and narratives you just don’t remember learning from the 70’s or earlier before the country became so politically correct.
You can however find arguments that appear to have been written by scholars telling you that these horrible white peoples (usually men) came here blatantly killing off and enslaving the Indians in record numbers because they are just a bunch of savages. (White man not the Indian) yes boys and girls (if it’s still ok with you that I use those terms) history is changing right before our eyes.
If you didn’t know your American History pre 2000’s you’ve lost out on important things that in another ten years will be lost for good. Sadly you can find those coming here, came to flee religious/political persecution. But equally you can find that it was “settled” for any number of reasons.
The reality is unless you went to school before the far left started teaching their narratives to your children, you may never really know. Because all arguments to why the country was founded, how, by what motivation, and by whom is being swallowed up before our eyes. Ok, OK… if you don’t know the history, go and study it now!!! This is not a American History Lesson. Not even a rant, though I guess I just did that.
The focus on this post is American Christianity (a religion) will soon be facing persecution along side those of Faith (Faith in the God of the Holy Bible). You might be surprised to learn Faith and Religion are actually two separate categories. I know I was when I made the switch from Religion to Faith. Right now as you (Americans) are reading this from the safety and security of your homes, workplaces, and wherever, many Christians are being beat, jailed, and even killed for their faith and beliefs almost everywhere but here in America. But that’s all about to change.
I want to take a look at this religion called “Christianity” for a moment here in America.
“326.69 million (2018)” source world bank. As of this writing the “population clock” at census.gov has the number at 329 million plus. So ok, let’s take the 326-330 million. Of these numbers 65% of American Adults claim Christianity. If we take a mean figure of 328 million, that gives us roughly (and I mean very roughly and loosely) a whopping 213 million American Adults. Ok, being that this is real rough I wanted to see what “Christian Poling Centers” could offer as some sort of a number.
I got answers from 2017-2019 with 220-250 million plus or minus. Let’s say we take my low end number of 213 million Christians out of my rough figuring of 328 million people and let’s start there.
328 million Americans
213 million Christians in America
I get these are low numbers. Bear with me.
If we look to Wiki and also Christian Polling Groups we can see trends. (Keep in mind this is covering only Religious Christianity as a whole).
83% of Americans Adults Claim Christianity but only 49% of those state they are totally committed to Christianity. Source: http://www.christianexaminer.com quoting a Barna Institute Poll.
65% of American Adults in 2019 represent as Christians, down from 75% in 2015, down from 85% in 1990. Source:Wiki
So if we see news headlines and also both sets of these numbers we can notice a trend happening within the last ten plus years or so,
We can see something called “Lukewarm Church”. This we can see is responsible for what is going on, especially if 65% of Americans are Christian. If this is the case, the whole Nation should, based on those numbers, have the Christian values, and the governments (local/federal) should reflect this, the schools should reflect this, and so should society as a whole. But if 65% of Americans Claim Christianity, what does this lukewarm church look like?
How about the following stats:
43% of American Adults have attended a church service, 41% said they read their bibles outside church services. 50% said they gave at the offering and only 20% say they attended Sunday School in the last week. This again from the Barna Research Group.
In 2016 this same group put out some other stats that might cause one to wince a little bit. To the question that Christians have a responsibility to evangelize others they had returned of 26% agreed strongly and 20% agreed somewhat. But then (remember these are Christians Polled) 19% disagreed somewhat while a whopping 35% said they strongly disagreed with the call to evangelize. This is perhaps a painful realization.
What does Jesus actually say about this topic of evangelization?
“And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.” Matthew 28:18-20
So it would appear that Modern Christianity believes the “Great Commission” handed down by Jesus was only a “mere suggestion” which most seem to believe isn’t worth their time to carry out. This presents us with a massive problem, for religion. However shines a huge light into the heart of the problem.
“Among other things, it found that only 17 percent of Christians have what the researchers consider a biblical worldview”. Source:relavantmagazine.org quoting another Barna Poll.
So let’s take my numbers again.
328 million Americans
213 million Christians in America
Now let’s take what we just read.
46% say evangelization is key
54% say “no” to evangelization
43% attend church
41% say they read bible
17% say they hold a biblical world view
It would appear that the Religious Christians have a downward spiral happening. This is the very definition of “lukewarm”. When asked about the cancer of lukewarmness pastors seem at a loss on what to do, or why this is happening. I’m going to warn you right now….
I’m going to rip the bandaid off fast, rub some alcohol on the wound, and scrub the wound a bit
There is a simple answer as to what’s happening and why it’s going on. I’m not going to get super in depth here, but pass over it all at ten thousand feet for the sake of time.
1. Religious men took over the faith of the Bible. Took it out of Gods hands and decided to alter the path into two major religions. Judaism and Christianity. In Christianity this happened at councils.
2. Christianity divorces itself from Gods Instructions/Law/Commands. Instead of following what their Holy Book actually says. They claim Jesus did away with these things. If you mention the Law, they quickly point out “it’s just for the Jews”. Though they say fulfilled, the imply it as done away with.
3. They claim Jesus did away with sin. If this was the case we no longer need Jesus. Proof of this is merely the fact most “saved” (sinners prayer reciters) after having said that pledge, have at least once or more after saying that prayer…. wait for it….. Have actually sinned since. Sometimes even questioning why they cannot stop only to have their pastor say, don’t worry about it. It’s ok, teaching you to say “Jesus knows my heart”. Though it doesn’t seem to appease the pain you feel actually sinning.
4. Lukewarm asks nothing from you, but also hands you nothing in return. It’s just religion, so it helps you become religious. One can sit in the pew but really never change. One has to see there is a huge problem if this is the case. Remember the “Great Commission”?
“Go therefore and make disciplesof all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you”….. (found in Matt 28)
Make disciples by teaching them to observe His Commandments, this means Joining the 17% of Christians who have a Biblical Worldview. It is this depart from the Word of God that has left much of Christianity seeking prosperity gospels, and other false gospels to make them feel good, life-coaching them into the Best Life Now, which is not what the Bible hands us down.
The goal of the Christian isn’t to just avoid the Lake of Fire, nor is it to have the best possible life here in the world. It’s not to blend into the world even. It’s to actually inherit the Kingdom of God and Eternal Life not being burned up in the Lake of Fire. (Not as simple as heaven or hell which how we grasp today is also not exactly the word of God).
Alright, let’s now get closer to exactly what’s really up with this post. The persecution that is about to kick off.
Up till recently America has enjoyed freedoms that are now just starting to come into question. With the invention of “hate speech” those who’ve pushed for and legalized sin have now a weapon against God, Christ, the Holy Bible, and the Christian who dares to speak the truth. Offended Culture, and the anti-racism racists have made it possible to say truth, science, and bible verses qualify for “hate speech”. This means if the Bible causes someone to feel upset about their ways being called sin, that they now have a right to call you labels, cancel your channels and do away with freedom of speech putting tape over your mouth. Then those groups who are allowed to destroy things for the fun of it, have attacked churches and even burned them. Soon there will be legislation making all things biblical or truth illegal. Because heaven forbid anybody get offended.
This will first come in the form of anything in the Bible calling out any sin legal, illegal, or celebrated with pride will have to be made a crime. Once this is done, they will go after Bibles all together. Since they are already burning churches, Christians will have to be punished for their hateful beliefs. After all right now we are seeing white people being asked to apologize for their skin color. What makes you think your church will not be labeled as terrorism. We are seeing Jesus and God already being made out to be racists, homophonic, bigots, and transphobic. I’m not kidding. I wish I was. America will see what other countries without freedoms and liberties have seen, because those freedoms and liberties will be removed by marxism, mobs, violence, cancel culture and corporations holding hostage social media. It is already starting.
Freedom of religion will soon mean, freedom of religion except the hateful White Supremest, bigoted, phobic Christianity. That will be made illegal, and as Daniel saw once it is, you might be tossed into the lions den of cancel culture or tried in the court of popular opinion via social media where you’re guilty unless virtuous enough to repent of that Holy Bible and Jesus belief you once held so dear. Trust me most people will sell out beliefs to keep social statuses, jobs, money, and popularity. How do I know? Watch the mobs devour as they have been and tell me I’m wrong. You cannot.
Modern day “witch hunting” has begun against those who oppose the mobs, groups, and the war on all things truth and biblical.
Alright, the thing about being lukewarm is those people claiming Christianity so boldly with their mouths, while never once taking a stand for what’s right, true, or biblical means that those who are the loudest simply demand their way. The “church” (Religious Christianity) has always conformed to the world it is in and asked to imitate.
We will now descend into the painful truths of where we are headed. Hold on kids, the truth will sting a little bit.
The Holy Bible comes at us at a million miles an hour with a punch that would land most boxers on the mat for the ten count. In the instant you hit the floor you see in your eyes the words most Christians never read in their bibles…..
““When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you.” Deuteronomy 18:9-12
PCC/LWC hands us all these these things above as just covered by “Jesus know my heart” licensing us to ignore the Bible, God, and Christ because after all He liberated us from Himself didn’t He? Perhaps we no longer put our children through the fire, but we still offer them to Molech legally in the form of abortions. According to Planned Parenthood 2018 fiscal year report they performed 345,672 abortions. Though it may not be done by fire anymore Molech is still a happy god. If this is unsettling how about Christian Witches?
Killing children is an abomination but so is witchcraft, yet here we see witches claiming Christianity and being embraced totally. Yes they are real witches. But how did we get here?
In the 1600’s or around there witch-hunting was a real Christian concept. The religious would go out and identify “witches” then judge them in open public courts of terror. (I’m not saying I’m siding with witches) during this time to be deemed a witch, you just had to be a woman hated by a man. The reality was, the many so called witches were burned at the stake really were just women. Though they actually did burn real witches as well. The sad reality was to get found guilty by the court of popular opinion (or social justice) you just had to be accused of being guilty. If you denied it you were burned, if you virtuously fell down before the court and begged forgiveness you were also burned. Much like the world we live in today around the “all whites are racist and need to repent” issue we face in modern culture. Being told you have to virtue signal or repent of your color of skin is the very definition of racism.
We have the church today confirming as it always has. Originally the Disciples Followed Jesus. They walked out this Faith in Christ which was the same as walking out the Faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. They walked it out.
““If you love me, obey my commandments.” John 14:15
“Jesus replied, “All who love me will do what I say. My Father will love them, and we will come and make our home with each of them. Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me. And remember, my words are not my own. What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me.” John 14:23-24
You might be asking what did Jesus Command?
“Jesus replied, “‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”” Matthew 22:37-40
He taught what His Father Taught. The “Law and Prophets” the (Old Testament). How do we know?
““These are the commands, decrees, and regulations that the Lord your God commanded me to teach you. You must obey them in the land you are about to enter and occupy, and you and your children and grandchildren must fear the Lord your God as long as you live. If you obey all his decrees and commands, you will enjoy a long life. Listen closely, Israel, and be careful to obey. Then all will go well with you, and you will have many children in the land flowing with milk and honey, just as the Lord, the God of your ancestors, promised you. “Listen, O Israel! The Lord is our God, the Lord alone. And you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your strength. And you must commit yourselves wholeheartedly to these commands that I am giving you today. Repeat them again and again to your children. Talk about them when you are at home and when you are on the road, when you are going to bed and when you are getting up. Tie them to your hands and wear them on your forehead as reminders. Write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.” Deuteronomy 6:1-9
““Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against a fellow Israelite, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.” Leviticus 19:18
The Christian says “Jesus did away with these things”. Though not a single verse says that He did. In fact in many cases Jesus takes the Law and Strengthens it. Jesus says hate is murder and adultery is merely looking lustfully. He teaches the Law over and over.
This divorce was done by Christians, like it was done in Judaism. After all we see this passage,
“Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. So practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach. They crush people with unbearable religious demands and never lift a finger to ease the burden. “Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels. And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’ “Don’t let anyone call you ‘Rabbi,’ for you have only one teacher, and all of you are equal as brothers and sisters.” Matthew 23:1-8
So the early Christians looked at the Jews around them and saw the religious leaders were not following the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament) just like the Christian doesn’t follow their Bibles (Old and New Testaments) and said, let’s do a new religion, instead of walking out the Faith of the God of the Bible.
Neither God nor Christ in the Word of God (which acording to John One are all the same) ever says to depart from Faith into religion!!! Jesus instead teaches to follow the Word of God. The disciples all did this until they were all but one killed for their Faith. When they had all found rest in Sheol/Died/Killed the religious leading Christian Men saw their opportunity to finally take control of this Faith and hijack it into religion. Jews deny the personage and divinity of Christ, also the New Testament, while religious Christians deny the Law/Commands/Instructions of God. They are one in the same according to John One. Religious men had to change their people from the Bible to Doctrines. This was done in councils and also in public. One such thing was outlawing the Bible in common languages making it a Latin Only, surrender your bible to your Priest kinda thing. (Go look it up) but councils were effective at changing from Biblical Holy Days to the Pagan Holidays. From Sabbath to Sunday. Separating themselves from those Jewish people who supposedly put Christ to death. It wasn’t the people, but the Religious Leaders and Roman Government who actually murdered Christ. The people were just used, like the church is today. I can prove this with catholic catechism. The Bible never calls for changes, but men do.
Council of Laodicea
“Christians should not Judaize and should not be idle on the Sabbath, but should work on that day; they should, however, particularly reverence the Lord’s day and, if possible, not work on it, because they were Christians” (Canon 29 [A.D. 360]).
Pope Gregory I
“It has come to my ears that certain men of perverse spirit have sown among you some things that are wrong and opposed to the holy faith, so as to forbid any work being done on the Sabbath day. What else can I call these [men] but preachers of Antichrist…
“Hence it is not possible that the [day of] rest after the Sabbath should have come into existence from the seventh [day] of our God. On the contrary, it is our Savior who, after the pattern of his own rest, caused us to be made in the likeness of his death, and hence also of his resurrection” (Commentary on John 2:28 [A.D. 229]).
What we have here is men saying Gods Word has changed. Or God has changed what He desires for us to do. Every single so called “proof” text is an old writing of men making said change, while never once citing a verse where God, Christ, or the Word of God point out this change. No scripture. Just a “we’ve changed” doctrine and backed by popular writers of the period. The thing is they divorce Christ as the head and in the moment men are to be followed become the synagogue of Satan.
“Q. Which is the sabbath day? A. Saturday is the sabbath day. Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the council of Laodicea, (336A.D.) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday”. Source:Converts catechism of Catholic doctrine.
This was admittedly a man made change. This change was not biblical, and no verses are given for their change. But verses can be found all through the Bible which say to Keep His Commands.
Ok, so now that we have the history here down, we can move on. Once those outside the churches and synagogues saw that the religious were not following what they themselves teach, the world saw the opportunity to lead themselves into sin deeply. Satan had them (the worldly) take on moral ways and legalize sin. After all those in churches offered absolutely no objection in local or federal government. This silence allowed worldly and heavily influenced by Satan people to aim their narratives upon the young in schools. Those then growing up hearing evolution over creation and science not God decided that in the 1960’s a sexual revolution needed to happen.
Sexual liberation included increased acceptance of sex outside of traditional heterosexual, monogamous relationships (primarily marriage). The normalization of contraception-and the pill, public nudity, pornography, premarital sex, homosexuality, masterbation, alternative forms of sexuality, and the legalization of abortion all followed. Source: Wiki
All of these things are deemed against the Word of God. These are bad according to the Bible. Man had to get these things acceptable to society and he did just that. Once these things occurred the next movements were easier and easier to get approved as public opinion. This circles us back to how the lukewarm will be weeded out.
Christianity is declining because they have abandoned their bibles for man’s traditions, man’s doctrines, and man’s opinions on the Word of God, instead of the Word of God. This decline of Christianity, the church starving for biblical teachings but getting fed scraps are causing this great falling away. This is happening because their religion has a lack of faith. They are fed a filet o’ fish sandwich instead of a full meal. It’s this simple. Most churches are not biblical but merely religious. This is the major decline reason.
This decline is the reason the great falling away will happen.
“But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness. They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them. For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn’t worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other’s bodies. They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved. Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know God’s justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.” Romans 1:18-32
Much like the days of Sodom, we will walk out our lawlessness. Let’s see what’s going on according to the Bible, now that we can see the Romans 1:18-32 sounds just like it is today.
“Jesus told them, “Don’t let anyone mislead you, for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and threats of wars, but don’t panic. Yes, these things must take place, but the end won’t follow immediately. Nation will go to war against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in many parts of the world. But all this is only the first of the birth pains, with more to come. “Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed. You will be hated all over the world because you are my followers. And many will turn away from me and betray and hate each other. And many false prophets will appear and will deceive many people. Sin will be rampant everywhere, and the love of many will grow cold. But the one who endures to the end will be saved. Matthew 24:4-13
“Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.” II Thessalonians 2:3-4
We are just now arriving at the great falling away. We see many Christian people walk away from the religion. They head off into atheism, or other religions. Un comforted by religions. This is sad but we’re starting to see this. After this the man of lawlessness will be reviled.
We are on the doorsteps of this moment,
“All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.” Matthew 25:32-33
“His winnowing fan is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor, and gather the wheat into His barn; but the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.” Luke 3:17
The great falling away has begun, many will quickly abandon their religious beliefs to hold onto their social media statuses, to be kept out of jail, or to avoid cancel culture , or to avoid being called phobic, bigot, racist or worse a terrorist to be put to death.
Many, far too many will surrender their bibles, deny Christ, and burn their churches out of fear of being found out by the great witch hunters of our day. In the public square of popular opinion called social media. The lukewarm church will either pay the cost of jobs, livelihood, families, friends, social statuses, homes, businesses, or to keep them by standing up against their own beliefs for a false virtue signaling mob orientated hate filled captivity of popular opinion and politically correct socialism Mixed into marxist regime that’s coming to help weed out those sitting in pews only claiming Christianity because it’s the in thing to do. Many will have their religion beat out of them in this great falling away. Soon in America headlines will read as they do in other countries where rights and liberties are not found..
BUT WAIT, THERE IS GOOD NEWS
Amidst all this painful to see news, remember the 17% of Bible Believing Christians who see their churches are not walking biblically, they have been migrating to places where Bible Believing, Biblical Faith, Christ Followers are headed. Back to their bibles as written.
Many are becoming Messianic (Christians and Jews), or becoming a title of Biblical not Religious, or joining what’s called Hebrew Roots movement. The reality is pastors and rabbis are freaking out as many of their congregants are choosing the Bible over religions and cults. These people cannot understand why their people no longer Just know of Christ but choose to follow Christ.
“Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.” I John 2:3-6
The religious say we have no leader, Christ is the head of the church and who we Follow.
“He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. And He is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He may have the preeminence.” Colossians 1:15-18
The religious say those people have no doctrine…
“But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, and that from childhood you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.” II Timothy 3:14-17
We unlike religious men believe our bibles are the Word of God and Follow His Son to Him through it. We stand by it. We live it just as the disciples have. Doing what God and Christ say to the best of our knowledge and ability. Choosing to not follow Pastors, Priests, or Rabbis, but to follow Elders (plural groups not single men) who speak the truth in every season, not teaching doctrines to glorify sin and fill churches.
Religious men are stumped as their churches fall apart. Sadly. God is doing what you leaders are failing to do. He is returning your people to Himself to be His People. Biblical not Religious.
Because of this I believe persecution of the church is now going to hit America as it is everywhere else. Those who stand for God, Christ, Spirit and Word will all face this persecution. Those who are claiming Him for convenience, popularity, money, or status will all fall away quickly once it’s no longer possible to claim Him without speaking up. So buckle up church, because of unbiblical teaching, because of being lukewarm we will see the lukewarm no longer able to be lukewarm. They will stand for Biblical Faith, or walk away back into the world which will be happy to take them back in to be lost in the lake of fire. While the biblical will meet in homes, fields, markets, and the streets like Christ and His Disciples. We will be taken care of. Lastly, this is Jesus saying this…..
““And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, ‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. Because you say, ‘I am rich, have become wealthy, and have need of nothing’—and do not know that you are wretched, miserable, poor, blind, and naked— I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see. As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent. Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne. “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’ ””. Revelation 3:14-22
Repent now of your falling away, false teachings, and unbiblical living, before you hear “get away from me, I never knew you, you who break Gods Laws”.
Before I begin, I’m not your pastor, preacher, teacher, rabbi, or your authority. I’m a man who like you reads his bible and is a student of our teacher Messiah Yeshua/Christ Jesus. This is not a teaching, but me putting my beliefs down and stating why I truly believe pre trib isn’t biblically supported. I’m not saying I know it all. But here is why I believe what I do, I’ve seen both sides and this one seems most logical to me. So I choose it. This is my horse in the race. Let’s take a look.
There are so many Western Christians that believe that one day they will be rescued before the tribulation starts. That those in Christ have nothing to fear about the tribulation and will be pulled away. The great escape will be we can just sit in heaven away from all the pain.
The problem is this teaching is not found in our bibles. Though many infer it by stretching the Word of God to suit their doctrines and theology. But it is never taught in the Bible….
The first recorded push of this teaching happened around the 1830’s by a couple of people. Scoffield and Darby. In fact the church originally blasted those teaching this as Heresy. But this has found its way into our churches to lead us stray.
Let’s get into this by diving into the Bible. What can we see in the Bible about the tribulation?
Let’s go to Mark Chapter 13
““So when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not” (let the reader understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains.” Mark 13:14
This Holy Bible is written to people who Follow God is it not? So those alive In Him will see. If pre-trib was a thing we wouldn’t see, we would be raptured before that seeing happened. Let’s continue…
“Let him who is on the housetop not go down into the house, nor enter to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter.” Mark 13:15-18
Many see housetop and think “see rapture”. However, remember the people are fleeing Judea to the mountains. Most likely to avoid violence and chaos. Most likely to avoid the destruction cities will see by looters, robbers, killers, possibly even movements that threaten the safety of all. Perhaps to avoid the lawless barbarians or in efforts to keep their family’s safe. I don’t know, possibly to even escape a virus or pandemic? Ok, cities are not where you want to be when society erupts in violence. Get out of them and make a safe haven somewhere away from the masses is my reasoning. In these verses Your Flight is mentioned. You’re not making a flight if you’re raptured, just saying. Let’s continue…
“For in those days there will be tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, nor ever shall be.” Mark 13:19
So we see tribulation is mentioned. So we have tribulation now on the scene. When does Jesus/Yeshua come?
““But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken.” Mark 13:24-25
After the tribulation, is key here.
“Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.” Mark 13:26
Then they will see. This means that Jesus comes after the tribulation. Not before. Let’s take a second here to make another point. Let’s argue that the “tribulation” talked about is a painful time of tribulation, but not the great tribulation. The thing is Gods Wrath upon the earth (which we will not endure) comes into play. Let’s say there is a tribulation, then the tribulation of epicness. Ok, Jesus still doesn’t return until after the tribulation. Then judgement/wrath of God occurs. But we need to build up to this point. Let’s keep digging, we will revisit my point in a bit.
Let’s go to Matthew 24
“And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows. “Then they will deliver you up to tribulation and kill you, and you will be hated by all nations for My name’s sake. And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.” Matthew 24:4-12
This is all before Messiah/Christ returns. Did you read “deliver you up and you will be killed”? That’s not a pre-trib rapture supported statement. No, those alive will face the suck. Like it or not. Let’s keep looking…
You then read in Matthew verses 14-28 the same speech by Jesus a second time to drive home the point. A very similar to the Mark passage we read a few moments ago.
““Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.” Matthew 24:29-31
After the tribulation, the Son of Man comes and His Elect are gathered from heaven. Heaven is Greek G3772 ouranos which means the same as the Hebrew Shamayim. It means Air/Sky, Space, The Abode of God. This means a gathering AFTER the tribulation. But this isn’t all I’ve got. Let’s keep looking.
“But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13
“And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Mark 13:13
Enduresto the END!!!!
If you’re called to endure to the end, but you’re not going to have to endure to the end, because you’re raptured before all the trials and pains….. this cannot make sense to me. We would not be asked to endure if we were not going to have to actually endure. This is like people says Jesus says “I didn’t come to abolish the law I came to abolish the law”. It’s a nonsensical statement that doesn’t logically make sentence structure cohesive.
Alright let’s keep looking.
“For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
We who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord!!! This shows us that what… people are raptured before the tribulation? NO!!! Alive and remain means just that. We are here until He comes.
Will by no means precede those who are asleep. So the living will NOT go ahead of, or be raptured before those who are dead in their graves. “Asleep” doesn’t mean just sleeping in bed at nite. It’s sleep/rest in Sheol, dead. (See my writings on heaven and hell).
And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air.
The dead are raised first then those alive. This is NOT the living are raised first then the dead. No this is the living have to endure until the end period. But that’s still not all I have..
“And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.” Revelation 20:4-6
We see many beheaded, not worshipping or taking the mark of the beast. They were put to death during the time of tribulation. You cannot be beheaded and raptured before it. Just saying. These first resurrected were killed for their following of Christ/Messiah. The “Saints” meaning those who were fully invested in their faith.
The rest of the people who are dead rise after the thousand year reign of Messiah/Christ on earth. This comes after the tribulation. This is still not all I have today for you.
“But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.” I Thessalonians 4:13-14
We will be resurrected. This we fully know. Those who are in Christ.
“For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep.” I Thessalonians 4:15
We who are alive and remain, this “we” are “In Christ/Messiah”. The alive remain until Messiah returns. Again, is after the tribulation. We know this because we see above Christ comes after tribulation. The alive will NOT go before the dead. It’s said over and over.
“For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” I Thessalonians 4:16-17
We next see after tribulation Messiah/Christ comes, the dead rise first, THEN THOSE ALIVE, yes those alive. Those alive after the tribulation. This causes and issue for those believing they get pulled up before the tribulation. We see here after tribulation the dead then those alive go up into the clouds. Let’s keep looking.
“They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. And they were not given authority to kill them, but to torment them for five months. Their torment was like the torment of a scorpion when it strikes a man. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.” Revelation 9:4-6
In Revelation we see “they were prohibited from harming those with the mark of God on their foreheads”. God protects His people. We See also “they could torment those others to the point they wanted to die but didn’t”. Does this sound like tribulation to you? I’m not afraid of tribulation as Father protects His children. Look at the Passover, Israel was passed over and Egypt was struck. This will be our case also. But there is more.
“and the LORD said to him, “Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and put a mark on the foreheads of the men who sigh and cry over all the abominations that are done within it.” To the others He said in my hearing, “Go after him through the city and kill; do not let your eye spare, nor have any pity. Utterly slay old and young men, maidens and little children and women; but do not come near anyone on whom is the mark; and begin at My sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were before the temple.” Ezekiel 9:4-6
This is where the wicked are slain. The wicked are slain, not everybody. So are we brought up to heaven to be with God? The biblical answer will surprise you!!
First we have Jesus/Yeshua telling us this…
“No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.” John 3:13
We either believe Jesus or at this moment cease to.
“Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And there was found no place for them.” Revelation 20:11
“But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? II Peter 3:10-12
So then the wicked old poisoned earth will be destroyed while His people are where? In the sky with Him from above. This is the judgement of the wicked, the tossing of the wicked into the lake of fire actually being played out. Here is what we see happen….
“Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you,” II Peter 3:13-15
““For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.” Isaiah 65:17
““For as the new heavens and the new earth Which I will make shall remain before Me,” says the LORD, “So shall your descendants and your name remain. And it shall come to pass That from one New Moon to another, And from one Sabbath to another, All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the LORD.” Isaiah 66:22-23
We see again here the new heaven and earth. This is made up of Followers of the Most High. Not the heathens or unbelievers, not even the wicked. They perish in the wrath. But we, up in the clouds will be those to inherit paradise. All flesh doesn’t imply the wicked or the unbelievers. All flesh will worship because all the flesh of the new heaven and earth ARE HIS, walk His Commands, Ways, Instructions and are His. The wicked will also be removed, so if anybody tries to “fake it” like they do now… guess what…..
“The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 13:41-42
“Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears to hear, let him hear!” Matthew 13:43
So with all this said, many will be saddened to get to tribulation and find not being whisked away. They may also find themselves in the position of the not readied virgins. Perhaps never working to make sure they would inherit the Kingdom.
The reasoning for going up into the clouds after the tribulation is Gods Wrath purifies by fire. We will weed out a lot of goats in the tribulations and see the small number of real sheep left. Then we will see judgement and then those who are faking it or not really His will be finally weeded out. All the dross will be removed at the wrath. Then and only then will we see paradise realized.
We will see testing by fire, and those brought up who make the grade. Then Gods Wrath consumes that dross. It’s really this simple. No pre-trib rapture. Scripture never says one time that….
“I will wisk you away so you don’t have to face tribulation”. No, instead we see,
“But he who endures to the end shall be saved.” Matthew 24:13
Instead of believing something that was called a heresy in the 1800’s and was only taught around 1830’s not before. Something pop culture and religion feeds the masses to keep them filling churches. Why not let scripture define scripture and God actually say what is true. I hope this helps explain this false teaching and helps you discover what many know to be true.
Pre-Trib Rapture just isn’t Biblical!!!
“Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes, and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.” Revelation 7:13-14
They were in the Great Tribulation and came out of it. These didn’t get whisked away either. If I could read in the Bible a teaching of Messiah/Christ saying “don’t worry, I will come and take you away before any trouble comes” I would return to my once pre-trib thinking that was taught to me by the church. However He never teaches that, nor does He teach He did away with the Law. The problem I have is people can take words and infer anything. For me the whole of the Bible needs to support what I’m thinking, or I need to re evaluate what I’m thinking.
It’s easier to believe Jesus will take those “In Him” away from the trouble. After all it’s a popular book and movie series. It makes us feel better about bad times. Just like the church finds it more comfortable to believe you die and go to heaven to be with Jesus and your loved ones makes one feel comfortable. Both don’t seem to be supported by the whole bible however.
Some more scripture to consider,
“And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”” John 6:40
Though this statement is about the Resurrection Of The Dead, it also explains a key point. “On the last day” they will be taken up. We have had scripture telling us “the dead will rise first”. So if the Resurrection Of The Dead is before any living rise, it’s impossible to believe that some living get raptured before the dead.
“Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.” I Corinthians 15:51-52
Again this is about the Resurrection Of The Dead, but if we look closely here too. “We shall not all sleep” this “sleep” isn’t talking about people never falling asleep at night or perpetual insomnia. It’s talking about death. The biblical principal of sleep/rest in Sheol. Essentially “we will not all die” is being said. This means some will be alive at the Resurrection after tribulation. The Last Trumpet is key. This means those followers of Christ/Messiah will hear a last trump. This means they were still upon the earth. The significance of this could apply to a Leviticus 23 Festival of God called “Trumpets” (Rosh Hashanah)
The following blastS are blown on Rosh Hashanah:
Tekiah is a single long blast of the shofar.
Shevarim (or sh’varim) (שברים) is composed of three connected short sounds.
Teruah – in most Sephardic and Ashkenazi traditions, this is a string of many short-lived, broken blasts made by the tongue (e.g. tut-tut-tut-tut, etc.). In the Yemenite and Babylonian Jewish communities, it is a single long, trembling blast.
It is customary for the last tekiah in a set of 30, and the last tekiah blown overall on a day of Rosh Hashana, to be extended in length, called a tekiah gedolah (“great tekiah“).
The last trump is a loooooooong as you can sound blast. This is important when you read “sound of the trumpet” repeated when talking on when He will come. It is possible to see the wording suggesting things corresponding to a Festival of God. Those who study Messiahs/Christ’s timeline can show the Holy Festivals are significant to the New Testament timeline of Jesus/Yeshua. I will not explain that here. But all the Festivals the Jews/Messianics/Hebrew Roots/Biblical not Religious people keep as they are in the Bible pertain greatly to Messiah as well as events in the Old Testament. It’s too bad many Christians will never look into it or think it irrelevant and simply ignore the obvious connections.
Let’s take a moment and see examples about times of trouble.
Did Noah suffer through the great flood. Sure he was in the boat, but had to hear all the people and animals drowning, banging on the side of the boat, then float for how many days, then only after he was allowed to be up on deck and do the rest. Noah dealt with it, wasn’t whisked away with his family, no they floated slowly through it.
Did Job get whisked away, no he suffered through a calamity that he didn’t bring upon himself.
Did Israel get whisked away from captivity? No they suffered through it until it was time for deliverance.
Did Israel get whisked away from the wandering in the wilderness? No, a whole generation perished before their trek was over.
Did Jesus/Yeshua get whisked away from the cross? No, He endured all of it.
Endurance and patience is a theme over and over alongside perseverance.
However this is just my opinions and beliefs based upon what I read in scripture. Chances are, you nor I will be in tribulation because we will both be at rest/sleep in Sheol. Which leads me to a point I feel I need to make!!!
“But avoid foolish disputes over genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.” Titus 3:9
“Remind them of these things, charging them before the Lord not to strive about words to no profit, to the ruin of the hearers. Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But shun profane and idle babblings, for they will increase to more ungodliness.” II Timothy 2:14-16
We need to avoid being sucked into the trap of proving oneself woke worrying, debating, and arguing of things that are not needed. If you believe in pre-trib and I believe this does not apply does that really change anything for either of us? No, you and I will live, we will believe what we believe, and we will both die. Does a pre or post trib belief change our faith? No, we either have faith we will be raised to life again or we don’t. Does pre or post trib affect salvation? No, it’s not a Salvation issue. In fact tribulation theory will only apply to those who either get raptured (which I don’t believe) or endure the tribulation. You and I most likely will not see it. We will be comfortably sleeping in Sheol. We should be focusing on what we can deal with in our lifetime, using the law rightly, understanding the word rightly, applying it to our lives rightly, not arguing over foolish controversies, trying to out scholar the brother or sister sitting next to us. That’s unfruitful.
It’s good to seek, discover, and learn. But if your motivation is just to win arguments and not live it out. That’s not faith. For me, I study, I speak, talk, and discuss. I don’t debate. I try to bring my understanding to the table, knowing that you or I could be wrong. My goal is never to prove me right and you wrong, but merely to share my point of view. I’m not asking you to believe me or even yourself. Just asking you to read and study the Holy Bible, and seek God through Christ via His Word.
If we turn on the television today we hear all about “racism” and just how totally racist America is. We see there are movements to tear down and box up history. Movements to get rid of the Bible even. We have a huge problem, however racism isn’t of God nor is Division. By now you’re triggered and starting to assign me a label, but before you do, gimme a few moments to explain my position. Try and see it with open eyes not closed self. Just let me explain this.
I have to start this by telling you, I’m not here to hurt your feelings, but to witness to the truth. So I’m not going to feed you poison and tell you it’s food. I am going to rip the band aide off and pour some alcohol on the wound scrubbing it to make sure you’re not going to continue to be infected. Infected by what? Lies, and sin.
Ok, let’s get into this really. Hold on this is going to be a bumpy ride.
We have in Genesis Father/God creating all things. Then He created the first man then the first woman. Thus He created “Man”. That words means “Humans”. Our race is Human. After all it’s called the Human Race!!! This means Father assigned us our ONLY RACE!!! We were created by God let’s look.
“So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.” Genesis 1:27.
What’s missing from this verse? A color of skin is missing from this verse. Division isn’t mentioned in this verse. Adam and Eve did have a skin color however. We know that to be…. well to be honest, I’m not sure. Everybody was middle eastern moving forward. God didn’t give us the recognition of color or separation of anything. How do I know this?
“And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.” Genesis 2:25.
Adam and Eve were not a color and didn’t even know they were naked. We can assume they were middle eastern but that’s as far as it goes. For now anyway. They were just alive, walking Gods Instructions. All was good, they just knew good. They were unified to each other, As husband and wife, and unified to God. This is how it’s supposed to be!!! Now we have the issue don’t we, this all went wrong with simple choices. Let’s see….
“Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”” Genesis 3:4-5.
In this one moment, guess what. Her choice to eat the fruit, then Adams who was with her, as a result brought sin into the world, also Adam used his wife as a guinea pig instead of protecting her. Why? Simple he too wanted to see if he could be like God. This one moment triggered a poison upon the earth. Let’s look…
“So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings.” Genesis 3:6-7.
What comes next, God comes and asks them what’s up as they are now covered. They were now ashamed as SIN enters the world trough them. They knew they messed up, right!
“Then the LORD God called to Adam and said to him, “Where are you?” So he said, “I heard Your voice in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; and I hid myself.” And He said, “Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?”” Genesis 3:9-11
We know that this costs them as they are banished from the garden don’t we?
“therefore the LORD God sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken. So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.” Genesis 3:23-24.
However we can see that we missed something. What could I possibly chose like we all do to ignore? It wasn’t the color of skin, it was the first Division. Man was divided FROM GOD!!! Right then and there. Because a Husband and Wife behaved DIVIDED!!! Division was now in play because sin has now entered the world. The husband and wife were divided and that was the first division. Man divided first. Father placed them in perfect. Original sin is a thing and it’s painful to learn.
How do we know Sin is Passed Down? Adam and Eve’s own two sons walk it out and division grows. Let’s look.
“So the LORD said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not do well, sin lies at the door. And its desire is for you, but you should rule over it.” Now Cain talked with Abel his brother; and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother and killed him.” Genesis 4:6-8
Cain sins because of Adams sin and kills his brother. Adam lied to God about how he came to eat the fruit. He blamed the serpent and his wife that God made him. Technically that’s blaming Father/God. “It wasn’t me”, “it’s not my fault”. Now his son kills the other and plays the same line to God.
“Then the LORD said to Cain, “Where is Abel your brother?” He said, “I do not know. Am I my brother’s keeper?”” Genesis 4:9.
Sin is running rampant all over the place right away. Still no mention of color of skin, but we have division in full swing don’t we. One sin leading to another to another to another and now it’s generational. This is how we know we’re born into sin. But let’s keep looking….
Since we know division starts with humans not God, we need to follow this story up until the divisions become so obvious that we need no longer cover them to show the evolution of this evil. Only then can we connect it to color of skin and then understand the mess us humans make of things.
We race of humans are now going along and guess what? We stop following Fathers Ways (which at this time were simple commands verbally handed down to specific people) and sin runs so wild that it makes the word “pandemic” a 96-98% survivable worst case of the flue. Yeah it is a far worse pandemic than the coronavirus ever thought it could be. Sin is like lava flowing from a volcano destroying houses, villages, and everything in its path. Sin becomes uncontrollable. What does Father/God do?
“Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And the LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. So the LORD said, “I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth, both man and beast, creeping thing and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.”” Genesis 6:5-7.
Because God is just and man is so evil because of their love of Sin, He wipes the world clean. Only Noah and his family, and enough clean and unclean animals survive to restart the population. This is painful. All humans were evil, and wicked. All but Noah and his family. This means when we become consumed by our evil, our wickedness, and glorify our sin ignoring Father, He WILL step in.
The issue we have here is two classes of the human race emerge. We need to see what these two classes of people are.
1. Righteous (Godly)
These people walk out the instructions of Father/God. (Still up to now they are not written but handed verbally). These instructions are anyplace God says “do this” or “do not do that”.
2. Unrighteous (of the world or of Satan) Essentially evil or wicked.
These are the people who stand against God one way or the other. These are the people that reject living a right life. They choose wickedness, perversion, and so on.
So we have the two classes because of peoples choices. Father didn’t put people in these classes. People by actions chose one of these two. Heck, at times a person can in one hour even be one, and the next the other. Though the total amount or typical behavior is eventually seen and their true self overall is known. How do I know this? I’m glad you asked, let’s look.
“Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Therefore by their fruits you will know them.” Matthew 7:17-20.
Yeshua/Jesus tells us by our actions you will see which of these two categories we fall into. Just like we can see if a person is a criminal (they do crime) or if the person is lawful (they do not do crime). So you can tell who is good from who is evil. Based not on skin color but based on how they behave. That’s according to the Bible.
So as of now, all people are of one race called the human race, and all people are one of two classes, Godly or Ungodly. (Righteous or Unrighteous). We arrive after the Great Flood, and generations come forth. Still color of skin doesn’t enter into the discussion yet.
One of the things we do see however is people are forming different groups around based on several different things. Division is of man, and man likes to separate himself from all others.
God confirms with Noah the sign of their agreement (Covenant) and says this to him.
“and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh.” Genesis 9:15.
One of Noah’s sons (named Ham) had a son named “Canaan”, those who followed him formed a people called Canaanites. Other groups of people were formed during this time period and there were many groupings. For example here are a few…
Canaanites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Hivites, Amorites, Jebusites, Amalekites, Anakim, and Rephaim start of the lengthy list. We see in scripture one such passage as a list,
““When the LORD your God brings you into the land which you go to possess, and has cast out many nations before you, the Hittites and the Girgashites and the Amorites and the Canaanites and the Perizzites and the Hivites and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you,” Deuteronomy 7:1.
This means right now we have in the Human Race, two classes the Ungodly and the Godly, and now we have other groups of people that make up what we call Tribes. Tribes are groups of people who are walking away from Father/God following their own tribal beliefs, though having started out originally as descendants from Noah and his sons, though through generations have migrated to different territories and set up their tribes according to their ways and customs. Tribes are also those of God walking together in His ways, yet different slightly on how to do it. Tribes coming against other tribes in battle or dispute is called tribalism. As of this moment tribes are based in class and sub category of tribes.
This dividing comes from being born into a tribe, or finding your way to joining a tribe. This separation was man’s way at keeping themselves distinguished from each other. This is just the start of things.
In Genesis Chapter Eleven we see Father/God seeing that the people were unified and He had to do something about this, as He saw before what happens when we are too unified. Eventually sin quickly wins out and man becomes totally evil. He chooses to scatter people across the lands because of grouping them by the basic languages. “The ancient forms of modern languages”. We need to focus on this in our race vs skin color issue.
“Now the whole earth had one language and one speech.” Genesis 11:1
This would be the language of “Ancient Hebrew”. We know this based upon all the texts which have been compiled to form our Holy Bibles. That plus outside sources which confirm these facts. The people wanted to distinguish themselves from all other people and start building to reach into the sky as high as they can.
“And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”” Genesis 11:4.
They desire to separate themselves from all others, and to keep themselves united. Father knows this is bad based upon the issues that lead to the great flood. Then it happens.
“Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.” Genesis 11:7-9
So Father hands down the languages and the people start finding out they can understand some people, yet no longer others. So, the people set out in directions with those they can understand. Language breaks down this tribe of Gods people. They move out to all parts of the world. Making many different smaller tribes by language now. Now let’s pause for a moment. Recap once more.
1. God creates people
2. People follow Gods Instructions
3. People sin, not following them
4. People are classed as Righteous or Unrighteous
5. People now break into tribes
6. Languages cause migrations
So we have man separating by languages to all parts of the globe. This means eventually over many generations peoples bodies adapt to their surroundings. Hotter climates mean more melanin to help them from bad sunburns. The shape of the eyes (or covering called lids) for sunlight distances. Height and weights change. Basically the bodies change to suit the climate where they live. This means over many births of generations we have the different groups of people with different languages, different body adaptations, different skin color, and on all the differences all sorts of differences also are added. Diversity is now a global thing. Except many remain with people like themselves, until long distance travel is made easier.
This should really be covered in school and be a refresher for you. If it’s not, your teachers have gravely failed you.
Because of all the diversity in the world, the human brain works to try and make sense of all these other people with all the differences. So it looks to find similarities and differences to put all other people into categories to help with identifying those they might meet. Suddenly those differences now become ways to keep others distanced from ourselves.
Man seeks to identify things, language, height, weight, male, female, homosexual, heterosexual, transgender, and the major hiccup race! Man calls this thing race forgetting he is part of One Race, the Human Race set up by Father/God and calls a language and skin color along with characteristics of a grouping of a set people a Race.
Skin color and language are the two biggest factors. Man then sees these different people as different. Man needs to set himself apart from those others and applies division. This in of itself is not the problem. Though it certainly doesn’t help anything. What man does next is the evil part of things.
Man now sees these differences and starts applying a value to those differences. This is bad, because it judges others different from oneself assigning a value.
We base this value on all sorts of things including skin color. Sadly devaluing happens the moment one says another has more value. For instance saying “I matter” suggests others do not. We judge and devalue on like everything nowadays.
Born is valuable and unborn is NOT unless the parents want the child, Man is supposed to be more valuable than a Woman, Younger people are more valuable than Older ones. Tall vs short, fat vs skinny, rich vs poor, one color of skin over another, language vs language, smart vs dumb, normal vs unnormal, weak vs strong, healthy vs sick, color of hair, color of eyes, tattoos, piercings, age, height, weight, deformities, learning issues, emotional issues, facial hair, attitude………. wait wait, hang on…. man devalues man based on things they themselves have no control over. But also some things they do. Then they place a ranking socially in regard to all this. If they have a majority then look out tribalism takes off and my group is better then yours begins and racism, sexism, and ___phobia is born. Groupings and values assigned on how a person is born, lifestyle, or things they cannot control and change. This is the very essence of hate. This is not of God.
We have one race, set up by God. Then we have God recognizing two classes of people Righteous and Unrighteous, then man starts dividing, then Father hands down languages and man adapts by spreading out by language groupings, then man continues to divide (tribes and tribalism) and continue to separate placing value on these divides. This value is then used to devalue others based upon things that generally one has no control over, but can depending on certain variables. But man’s divisions are NOT of God!!!
Division is and has always been a tool of Satan. The desire to be God or “like God” in the case of Adam and Eve. Man desires to be God or the supreme power. The separation and devaluing comes from Satan through sin. Before this sin Adam and Eve knew good, were walking rightly and had no clue they were naked. One meeting with Satan in the form of a snake and presto. Man desires to be King, forgetting how to submit to the King.
For racism, there is only one race… humans, according to the Bible.
We need to understand something, tribes were needed early on. If you had no tribe you were open to be attacked and destroyed by your enemies. So banning together for protection and sustainability are essential in early times. Like minded people stick together. But so do other like minded people. What I mean is Bible Believers/Messianics/Hebrew Roots who believe the whole bible applies,and Jesus is the savior, and the Law was never done away with tend to gravitate towards each other. Just like the religious who walk in 1/2 of the Bible. Just like atheists. Just like all other groups.
We even can break this down to things like criminals hang out with other criminals, they never or at least seldom hang out with those who enforce the law. Instead they are usually polar opposite like the Atheist and Christian. This total tribalism ensures a feeling of safety in groups like minded. It’s why we have gangs, mobs, those opposed. It’s why we have polarization of Republicans against Democrats. It’s how we get to race issue.
Generally, one race will tend to congregate among others who look, and talk the same. It’s just a thing. Though man has a lot to do with it, and Satan is behind it. If people are at war with each other, they will stop seeking God and be easier to destroy. According to the devil, and he is correct.
The more we group ourselves by things, the less we find ourselves in the one thing that really matters, “Faith”. Look again at the Bible for a moment. We have a race of people (human race) competing against itself to be better than the others, (tribalism) and then we have what?
The faith in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob being turned into two religions Judaism and Christianity. Judaism rejects the personage and divinity of. Christ/Messiah this rejecting the back of the book “New Testament”. While the Christian rejects Father/Gods Instruction/Law/Torah thus rejecting much of the front of the Book “Old Testament”. What do these religions have in common?
THEY BOTH REJECT CHRIST!!!!
Let me prove this to you before offended/cancel culture takes a swing at me.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1
The “Word” (Holy Bible) was. It existed. It was with God and it IS God. Now we also have this next part,
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” John 1:14
The Word becomes a man. God’s Word takes on a personage and divinity. Who is that? Jesus Christ/Yeshua the Messiah.
This means that Jesus is the Holy Bible, is God, was with God from the start. Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and yes even the Holy Bible are all God. They are all one. It’s why we say Him. So if a person rejects either the Law/Commands/Instruction/Torah, or they reject the New Testament and the divinity and personage of Messiah/Christ, Or the reject any part or word of the Holy Bible….
THEY REJECT GOD AND CHRIST!!
Religion takes Faith (Biblical Faith) and distorts it ever so slightly. It’s man’s attempt to control Faith. To make exclusive social clubs where we can have meeting of like minded people, sure… but also segregate by all the things we like to divide by. There are rich churches, poor churches, black churches, white churches, homosexual churches, two major religions, divides over doctrine and orthodoxy, and all sorts of twists and turns away from Biblical Faith embracing man’s traditions, worldly ways, all at Satan’s plan.
“If those professing God and Christ are fighting to be the best, the most true, or the most religious, they will not fully embrace being the ecclesia, and instead try to be denominations, synagogues, churches, and that will divide them enough to never be a true body. That will cause them to only have part of the truth, and make them easier to destroy”…. Says the enemy.
We have over 40 thousand denominations in Christianity and like 7-12 different versions of Judaism. Hmmm. But there is truly only one Faith, one God, one Savior, one Spirit, and one Word of God. There is also only one race, though because of man many tribes and far too much division because of the devil.
We are born into this world and of Satan. Of Adam and into Sin. Like it or not it’s all we know until religion grabs us. Then Father/God uses that to cause us to search out those who are willing to try and walk His Ways Out. He calls them for His purpose and leads us out of religion and back into Biblical Faith. You, me become the nation of we, regardless of all the things man divides man, values man by, including what we call race which isn’t even race as we all are the Human Race!!!
GOD NEVER SEPARATES BY SKIN COLOR AS A RACE,
JESUS NEVER SEPERATES BY SKIN COLOR AS A RACE,
THE BIBLE NEVER SEPARATES BY SKIN COLOR AS A RACE,
Man under Satan trying to be better than others, devalue others, that’s who does this. Man says we are races of people. God says we are one. How do I know there is no such thing as race determined by skin color?
“After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of allnations, tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”” Revelation 7:9-10
This great multitude is not separated or segregated by skin color or even language. This group is the Biblical Nation Israel!!!
It is my belief that all the brothers and sisters are just that, family. They can all understand each other in that moment even if they speak different languages. Nobody cares about what man and the devil divides by, height, weight, gender, age, size, color of skin, money they make, smarts, deformities, impediments, color of hair or eyes, NONE OF THIS MATTERS TO BIBLICAL ISRAEL. We are happy as we are. Once and for all together. No differences matter. The only thing that matters is we are in the Kings Presence not because of us but because of Him. We like the Tax Collector know our sins and instead of thinking ourselves great like the Pharisee, we know we are nothing compared to our King. Happy to be mere servants, who don’t seek popularity, status, or fame. Instead we will all be one praising Him forgetting even about ourselves in that moment. That will be beautiful.
In the Kingdom there is no greater than. We are all second. To think otherwise means you’re simply not biblical nor are in God or Christ.
Someone in God and Christ doesn’t look to devalue others for any reason at all ever.
Messiah/Christ talked with the woman at the well. A female, not of His tribe. This was not supposed to happen. But Yeshua/Jesus sees only one race. The woman caught in adultery was a woman and a sinner. Yet He saw her potential. We are all not worthy, not righteous, but that will not be important. What will?
““Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.” Matthew 7:21
What is Gods Will?
“Be careful toobey all my commands, so that all will go wellwith you and your children after you, because you will be doing what is good and pleasing to the Lord your God.” Deuteronomy 12:28
Just in case you think “but Jesus did something different”…
““Teacher, which is the most important commandment in the law of Moses?” Jesus replied, “‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”” Matthew 22:36-40
The entire Law (Torah/Instructions/Commands) hangs on Love God and Love Others. Love defined in 1 Corinthians 13 that is.
Jesus even says if you don’t love Him you will not do what He says.
“Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me. And remember, my words are not my own. What I am telling you is from the Father who sent me.” John 14:24
Israel (Biblical Israel) will follow their Shepard (Messiah/Christ) and those who have Christ and walk in His Commandments (Law and Prophets “whole Bible” as well as love God Love Others) will be that multitude. The rest will sadly be separated like the Goats from the Sheep and walk into the Lake of Fire to be destroyed once and for all embracing the second death.
There you have it. The sum total of the issue of race and division as seen by my understanding through a survey of the Bible in the short time we’ve had together. If there is a “ty” or and “ism” there is plenty of the devil and man, behind it.
One of the things in this week’s Torah Portion that stick out to me is the “bad report” handed over to Israel from the scouts. There is so many ways one can apply this to our lives.
The first thing we know is that Adonai/God gave them through Moshe/Moses Instruction to take the Land. Let’s start there first,
“See, I have set the land before you; go in and possess the land which the LORD swore to your fathers—to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—to give to them and their descendants after them.’ Deuteronomy 1:8
Look, the LORD your God has set the land before you; go up and possess it, as the LORD God of your fathers has spoken to you; do not fear or be discouraged.’ “And every one of you came near to me and said, ‘Let us send men before us, and let them search out the land for us, and bring back word to us of the way by which we should go up, and of the cities into which we shall come.’” Deuteronomy 1:21-22
We can see by the text here that Moshe/Moses informed Israel that they were to go in and possess the land. He even says the people should not be discouraged, and this should have been enough to ensure their safety. See we need to remember a few things. Israel has seen what it looked like to have Adonai/God before them. They had seen their deliverance, had walked on the dry floor with water towering over them in the Sea of Reeds/Red Sea. Had seen the waters destroy their enemies. Had been lead by Cloud and Fire. Had ate manna provided and also had water provided and so on. So when they are told to go in and possess the land, and not to fear or be discouraged, this was as good as hearing “go take the land, God has given you the win already! In other words, “don’t doubt, just do what’s being asked of you” coming from the Lord their God. This mission should have been the crowning moment where they finally reached the land and took it over. But….. however……
“That looks impossible” grasped the men chosen to go and lead Israel into the land. Doubt moved in and above we just read…
“Let us send men before us, and let them search out the land for us, and bring back word to us of the way by which we should go up, and of the cities into which we shall come.” Deuteronomy 1:22
How often do we do this with Father/God? We get the urge to “go pray for someone”, but we don’t out of fear or doubt He is asking.
Perhaps He calls us to take an action, but we would rather try and plan it out. Yep, that’s what’s going on for Israel too. But remind yourself that they are traveling and living in tents around the tabernacle. They have, up to now been being trained to rely on Fathers provisions. They have been having it all done for them. Now, in this moment Adonai/God is asking them to trust, go and do, walk out what they’ve learned.
This is the moment where they baby starts to take its first steps. This is where the trainer lets the trainee off the program and sends them out on their own for the first time. This is where the trainer lets the student pilot solo for the first time. This is where the parents allow the child to stay home for the first time. Israel is being asked to go walk out their faith.
This is scary stuff, like a teenager who just got his/her license and is driving alone for the first time scary. Wait, hang on. I’m not sure I can do this… kind of moment. Israel talks among themselves and decide on a military strategy, something they knew and were comfortable with. But also a prudent and safe move.
“Can we send in scouts”? We ask this every time Father/God Hands us down anything. We ask for signs and we would rather feel safe than walk into a hostile land, or build a cruise ship in our front yard, or try and find someone else to go do, what He is asking us to.
Sure you may lose “followers” or “friends” for posting the biblical truth. Yes walking Gods Commands can get family and friends to speak against you. Whatever Father is asking you to go and occupy, if He is asking, you can bet He will clear your obstacles before you. All you need to do is trust and follow, go and do. We are all about to learn a lesson from this today.
The thing is Moshe/Moses grants the spies. Nobody at this point knows what’s coming because of this choice. In our lives now we have to make choices. Sometimes the consequences for those choices cost us time, money, social status, sure, but others cost us spiritually. We can glean this choice costed Israel a lot. Time sure, but hard work, and wandering around for 40 years on a road trip that should have been a trip to the supermarket. We see that “but I thought” doesn’t even come close. Imagine if your choice costs you forty years.
“And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Send men to spy out the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the children of Israel; from each tribe of their fathers you shall send a man, every one a leader among them.”” Numbers 13:1-2
Father/God allows our choices and also us to feel the repercussions of those choices as any loving parent does for their children. Sometimes He cries when our choices consequences pains us. At other He laughs at our floundering around with the simplistic tasks at hand. He is our Father and rejoices when we finally make it to the completion of what He hands us to do.
When I was a child I was told not to stand in the chair in front of the wood stove because I could get scalded. I was told like a million times. Then those warnings stopped. So I did it my way, thought I was “getting away” with something. The house was cold in the morning and standing on a chair in front of the wood stove seemed the best way to change out of warm pajamas into warm clothes, with warm air refreshing my skin from the chilly morning greeting. It was a good plan, my intentions were good. But I got hot crossed biscuits for it, so to speak. In one moment while my skin was being lapped by the warm gentle caressing of the wood stoves air, while putting my pants on, balance was lost. I fell back sitting on the top of the wood stove.
I cried out in the kind of pain I never thought possible as I stood up from the searing of my flesh. My mother came into the room and saw my choice had bit me right in the a@& (ok this is a family channel). Yeah my decision had now cost me. I asked my mother (of Blessed Memory) years later “why didn’t you warn or stop me that day”? She said “Michael, I simply didn’t see you get onto the chair. But how many times did I warn you”? She had a point, she warned me repeatedly. She told me that later after I had gone to school, she had broke down in tears feeling like she had failed to keep me from that pain. (Yes, she sent me to school, and gave me a note telling the teacher why I would be standing if I needed to, also had asked I be seen by the nurse, who said mother did a great job already). I never got on a chair in front of a wood stove ever again. It cost me, just like a week trip turning into 40 years, costed Israel.
The cost of choices applies to this, but what brings about the biggest issue in the portion?
We know that in Torah things can be out of time sequence. We know often events can be before bigger events to teach Israel then and Israel now (us Blood Born and Grafted In) what to do, or not to do. Immediately before this sending in scouts and then handing a bad report is another story with similar results. We read that Miriam speaks out against Moses. We see Father punish her for this Lashon Hara (evil speech) against Moses. She has biblical leprosy (Tzara-at) and is outside the camp unclean for seven days, and the camp remained in place until her uncleanliness had passed before the next move was called for. This should tell us that Israel then and now has a warning, if you stray you will be corrected. If the people had listened they would have been able to inherit the land and not go on a scenic tour for forty years. This gives the child a new reason to scream out “are we there yet” on year number three much less year thirty-nine. The concepts of “follow me” and “obedience” are real and have consequences when not put into practice. Coronavirus, the race issues, the burning of cities and all this calamity is because we the people are not as a whole walking His Ways out. The more we stray, the more we ache and pain. Because of correction.
Now let’s look at the sending out and then the bad report.
“And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Send men to spy out the land of Canaan, which I am giving to the children of Israel; from each tribe of their fathers you shall send a man, every one a leader among them.” So Moses sent them from the Wilderness of Paran according to the command of the LORD, all of them men who were heads of the children of Israel.” Numbers 13:1-3.
Father says (without saying it) “I’ll let them do this thing, but I’ll use it to teach them a long lesson along the way, to help them rely on me more”. He allows for the defiance of the “go into the land” where they instead desire to scout it and then hands down the 40 year road trip of education for the action. Father/God says, we should do. It’s that simple but yet we don’t always do we? Perhaps I’m the only stubborn one here. I at times do this. Perhaps more frequently that I would like to admit. A one week trip now turns into a forty year adventure in the wilderness.
Ok, so the spies go in and it takes 40 days to scout. It is said in Judaism, the Rabbis teach that the scout should have taken 80 days but Father had mercy and shortened their time as He was going to use a year for each day scouted. So He cut the time of the scout in half to be kind and merciful to the people.
During the scout they see the land is amazing. But they also see some things that cause the scouting party great fear.
“So they went up and spied out the land from the Wilderness of Zin as far as Rehob, near the entrance of Hamath. And they went up through the South and came to Hebron; Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the descendants of Anak, were there. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)” Numbers 13:21-22
The descendants of Anak is important to this story. Anak was the forerunner of the Anakim who lived in the land Israel was heading to take over. They were very big and tall. They were descendants of the Nephilim. The Nephilim were the offspring of the “Sons of God” found in Genesis 6:1-4 and several other places. Some have taken this to mean the “fallen angels” resided in physical form. I’m not opening this investigation here. It would take way too much time. Loosely “Giants” is used to describe these big men who mated with earthly women thus handing down the Anakim which our scouts saw and were afraid of the size, number, and great strength they saw. It would be like looking at a population of Goliath’s. (As my understanding tells me anyway).
Seeing this caused great fear about walking into this. The people forgot one important fact, “Father/God said “go into the land and possess it” meaning He was with them and would have handed over them to Israel, “do not fear” should have solidified them. But Israel and even us today instead opt to see with our eyes. Hear with our ears. We choose to feel with our emotions and see How Impossible Things Look, instead of RELYING in faith on the One who is sending us in the first place. Father/God. Israel then and Israel now (us) tends to forget a couple of things don’t we?
It’s never about our strength. It’s about Fathers/Gods. Over and over Israel seen the impossible become possible. Why would this be any different. Fear and doubt took over. This was a test, to see how much more training they would need. So what did they do?
“Now they departed and came back to Moses and Aaron and all the congregation of the children of Israel in the Wilderness of Paran, at Kadesh; they brought back word to them and to all the congregation, and showed them the fruit of the land. Then they told him, and said: “We went to the land where you sent us. It truly flows with milk and honey, and this is its fruit.” Numbers 13:26-27.
And they went into the land and…. no, they should have stopped the report there. Instead, they don’t go into the land but scare the people from their faith to not go in. Let’s look at the rest of this report they gave.
“Nevertheless the people who dwell in the land are strong; the cities are fortified and very large; moreover we saw the descendants of Anak there. The Amalekites dwell in the land of the South; the Hittites, the Jebusites, and the Amorites dwell in the mountains; and the Canaanites dwell by the sea and along the banks of the Jordan.”” Numbers 13:28-29.
Caleb now tries to bolster the people in v30 explaining that they should go up as Father has asked, but….
“But the men who had gone up with him said, “We are not able to go up against the people, for they are stronger than we.” And they gave the children of Israel a bad report of the land which they had spied out, saying, “The land through which we have gone as spies is a land that devours its inhabitants, and all the people whom we saw in it are men of great stature. There we saw the giants ( the descendants of Anak came from the giants); and we were like grasshoppers in our own sight, and so we were in their sight.”” Numbers 13:31-33.
Nope we can’t go in there, was the report. They forgot the strength of God. They only saw what was against them, and forgot it’s not their strength they would have used. Yehoshua and Calev/Joshua and Caleb now counter this bad report with a bit of cheerleading,
With a “Ready O.K… lets go” moment.
“and they spoke to all the congregation of the children of Israel, saying: “The land we passed through to spy out is an exceedingly good land. If the LORD delights in us, then He will bring us into this land and give it to us, ‘a land which flows with milk and honey.’ Only do not rebel against the LORD, nor fear the people of the land, for they are our bread; their protection has departed from them, and the LORD is with us. Do not fear them.”” Numbers 14:7-9.
Sadly, the people don’t become encouraged and instead all act out of fear.
“And all the congregation said to stone them with stones. Now the glory of the LORD appeared in the tabernacle of meeting before all the children of Israel. Then the LORD said to Moses: “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?” Numbers 14:10-11.
The people rebel against going into the land out of fear. We too at times fail to go and get out land out of fear, panic, propaganda by the enemy, what we see, what we feel and this actually causes Father/God to ask the same of Israel then as He asks about us today…. “How long will these people reject Me? And how long will they not believe Me, with all the signs which I have performed among them?”
What we do know is that Israel now starts to wander 40 years so Father/God can work the fear out of them. Can by experience drive the doubt and rebellion out of them so they can actually walk into this land. The next 40 years will be working out the kinks of a people who would rather do it their way instead. Our walks are like the forty years. We too walk in the wilderness. We deal with our consequences of our choices to send in scouts instead of trusting and taking our lands by storm with Fathers Help. We instead choose doubt and fear far far too often which causes to walk around and around and take years to get to the place we should have gotten so much earlier.
It’s hard to just blindly trust when you can see the giants standing before you with their size, height, and the vastness of how many there are ahead of you. You can see your giants of not enough, no platform, not good enough, not smart enough, lack of money, lack of capability, (I don’t know what your giants are, but I know what my Anakim are). I know how intimidating they can be. Trust me, I get your fear. But if you, if I rely and trust Father Knows what He is Doing and just go where He sends us, if we forget what impossible looks like and approach what He is asking of us like a 5 year old and just do it. We will get to our land so much sooner.
“For we walk by faith, not by sight.” II Corinthians 5:7.
It was impossible while I was told by every agency that no help was coming to me, a guy who worked hard all his life, worked protecting and serving others, now told he didn’t matter, told nobody cares if you run out of money, just go be homeless. I had experienced years of losses, three family members in like four years, lost my money, lost my career, lost family land and all my stuff, then lost my motorcycle, truck, ability to feed myself, health, and now it had all come down to I was about to loose everything all over again. It would have been easy to try and send in spies. But instead, in that moment when I felt Father telling me to call my aunt, who helped her when she was in her last days, a woman I had seen only 3 possibly 4 times in 30 years God somehow told me to call. If I had sent in the spies instead, I know last year and this year none of this writing would have ever taken place. I would have been homeless and most likely would have starved to death, or lost in some other way. We would never have talked if I hadn’t listened to Fathers prompting.
Because I was weak enough, destroyed enough, I made a call and was handed help. A place to live, place to sleep, food to eat, and a land to mow, a house to paint, a driveway to shovel, and a way (internet) to spread the truth of God’s Word. Though it’s only online. I’m glad to see that my wilderness taught me to Trust Father. I’m glad to learn the consequences of being told to go back to where I started years ago, has given me an extension on my life and I have a chance to share with all of you.
If you were wondering, yes my rear healed after sitting on that wood stove. You would never know I cooked my biscuits so many years ago. (So to speak). Things are not always easy, and at times we’ve got years of The wilderness ahead of us to help us get where we need to be before we obtain rest, resurrection, and judgement. Father/God makes sure we have the best shot we can before we leave this earth, so that in the end of all things we can go to the marriage feast as the true bride, not be a guest, or worse be tossed into the lake/valley of Fire never seeing the Kingdom.
Every choice we make, has consequences far reaching. So seek His leading, and if you’re asked to go into the land do it so you don’t have to walk around aimlessly any longer than you need to really.
I want to start this post with one simple fact. I’m NOT of the house of Judah. I cannot specifically track my family line to Judaism. However Judah (the southern Kingdom) is also a member of the Nation Israel. Also Israel is the whole 12 tribes, not just the Northern Kingdom. I know it gets confusing. I’m Grafted Into Nation Israel. However I’m not Jewish, but I do love and care deeply for my Jewish Brothers and Sisters who are the southern house. I’m also as far as I can tell Not Blood Born Into Israel. According to Romans I am “Grafted In, not the root”.
“But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree. But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.” Romans 11:17-18.
So, I was first born a Gentile, to parents who didn’t know Christ. Didn’t have religion. Then I became a Christian. After four years walking as a Christian in 2014/15 being a pastor and running a very small traveling ministry, I learned I was Grafted In and just what I was Grafted Into. I learned the Truth about Torah/ and what Messiah and the Disciples actually taught and did. So nowadays I tell people I’m Biblical NOT Religious. I’m NOT in a religion any longer. I follow the “Way” of Messiah/Christ and understand that Yeshua/Jesus is the Word (Bible) made Flesh. (Into the personage) I also know that Christ was with God and is God. (see John 1)
Up until this year I was simply going by the Rabbinic Judaism Traditions regarding the Holy Days found in Leviticus 23. Last year I started seeing some Jewish traditions deviate slightly from the Word of God. This caused me to fall back on the Holy Bible and not rely on traditions from men by Christianity or Judaism and rely on the Word of God, because in John One I read the Bible is the written Jesus and Jesus is God. This means that God, Christ, Holy Spirit and yes, even the Holy Bible are God and are one. So I trust Father/God and Messiah even in written form. I trust Him before any mans commentary. Even my own. I compare what people say to the Bible and NOT the other way around. The Holy Bible first, Man second. That’s how I see it.
I’m NOT your authority, I’m not even “an” or “the” authority. That’s Messiah Yeshua/Christ Jesus as our Teacher and High Priest. All I am is a human the same as you, trying to follow Christ through The Holy Bible.
So WHAT is the Shavuot Divide?
This year I realized that my Omer Counting (Traditional Jewish Way) seemed to not always be recognized by some who were also counting the Omer. It was like a few days off. Then someone asked me about “counting Omer” and I gave the best advice I could, but mentioned I would look into it and give my final Biblical but not Religious reply. Letting them know I would explain what I found in a post. (Like this one perhaps).
At first I thought “perhaps they might have a different understanding”, so I sought to see, was it a mistake on my part, their part, or why do some others seem to have different days than I. So this year I ran into a headache. How were these people getting a couple days different than I? I mean I have been following the Jewish Tradition. I have been using apps even by the Jewish people to help with counting the “Omer”. Why is there a divide over everything?
Ok, let’s forget that last question. Let’s take on the two sides of… When is Shavuot?
Rabbinic Judaism. For those who are walking in the Jewish Traditions, they will use this argument that they have used when calculating the Day for this “Holy Day”. They calculate from the Passover/Start of Unleavened Bread as being a “High Sabbath” or rest from all works
In the year 2020 on the Gregorian “Roman Calendar” or 5780 on the Hebrew Calendar some will start their observance of Shavuot with the Jewish People at sundown on Thursday 28, May 2020. This is 5 Sivan 5780 by the Jewish and Hebrew Calendar.
We know that Friday starts Thursday evening and runs to Friday evening according to how Father/God marks time. We know this from Genesis.
“And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.” Genesis 1:13
Father marks a day from evening the day before until evening of the current day, while man and Rome marks it from midnight to midnight. This presents us with knowing that Father marks a day Evening to Evening Not Morning to Morning. This helps us understand Sabbath is measured Evening Friday to Evening Saturday. With the Sabbath Day being Saturday morning to Saturday evening. This is key in Understanding when a day is measured.
Now the Sabbath is marked as being the “Seventh Day” according to scripture.
“On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from all his work of creation.” Genesis 2:2-3.
From this we can draw the conclusion that the “seventh day” (Saturday) is the Sabbath Day, while Sabbath is Evening Friday to Evening Saturday. We needed this before we could start our investigation of the Shavuot Divide.
From here we look at scripture and the understanding of the word “Sabbath”. Let’s look at our Leviticus 23 text for a moment.
Under the “Appointed Festivals” we see Sabbath is First. The Sabbath is established as a starting to our festival discussion to help us understand the issue with Shavuot. Then the chapter goes into Passover and Unleavened Bread, and First Fruits which starts the Counting of Omer. Let’s start there,
“On the day after the Sabbath, the priest will lift it up before the Lord so it may be accepted on your behalf.” Leviticus 23:11.
This wording “the day after the Sabbath” should be clear to understand. The “day after the Sabbath is our Sunday” which starts Sabbath Evening and goes to Sunday Evening.
However here is where it gets a little dicey. Judaism and some Messianics and Torah Observant Christians have taken this to mean that “the Sabbath” can mean the “do no work” calling it a Sabbath day falling on the first and last days of this Festival, which can mean the first day of Unleavened Bread which is a “do no work” or they call it a Sabbath. They say that the count starts from the “do no work day” commanded. But let’s look at this closer.
“On the first day of the festival,(Unleavened Bread) all the people must stop their ordinary work and observe an official day for holy assembly. For seven days you must present special gifts to the Lord. On the seventh day the people must again stop all their ordinary work to observe an official day for holy assembly.”” Leviticus 23:7-8.
Now the first and seventh days do not always land the Seventh day every year. The day of Wednesday April 8, 2020/14 Nisan 5780 started the Passover/Unleavened Bread Holy Festivals. This means that Rabbinic Judaism started their “Omer Counting” on Thursday April 9, 2020/15 Nisan 5780. They started this as Unleavened Bread starts and is to them known as a High Sabbath in their tradition. This is from my understanding of many texts and sources. “The second day of Passover starts the counting of Omer”. Listed in several Jewish sources. One such source was the Omer Courting App I have used the last three years.
““The Lord’s Passoverbegins at sundown on the fourteenth day of the first month. (Nisan) On the next day, the fifteenth day of the month, you must begin celebrating the Festival of Unleavened Bread. This festival to the Lord continues for seven days, and during that time the bread you eat must be made without yeast.” Leviticus 23:5-6.
What we need to ask is “what is the word for Sabbath”? Let’s start at the beginning of the Chapter talking about Sabbath.
““You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of complete rest, an official day for holy assembly. It is the Lord’s Sabbath day, and it must be observed wherever you live.” Leviticus 23:3.
In a concordance we get the following. (שַׁבָּת) H7676 shabbath (Shabbat) meaning “The Sabbath”. In the mention of The Sabbath in this passage and others Sabbath is actually used. This seems simple and logical as it should. However this is where it gets interesting in the debate over when to start the “Omer Count”.
Remember our passage on when to start our count from above?
“On the first day of the festival,(Unleavened Bread) all the people must stop their ordinary work and observe an official day for holy assembly. For seven days you must present special gifts to the Lord. On the seventhday the people must again stop all their ordinary work to observe an official day for holy assembly.”” Leviticus 23:7-8.
Some translations render it “the first day and seventh days are Sabbaths for you”. However if we use a concordance we see when the Sabbath is mentioned the word H7676 shabbath (Shabbat) is used, but when “official day of Holy Assembly” is used a different set of Hebrew Wording is used. Let’s look,
Holy Convocation (or Holy Assembly) is rendered as being two words. (קֹדֶשׁ) qodesh H6944 and (מִקְרָא) miqra’ H4744. So we have “convocation” or “assembly” in English but “miqra’ in Hebrew. The Word H7676 shabbath (Shabbat) is NOT applied to a Holy Convocation or “assembly” the word is miqra’. This means a Convocation is NOT a Sabbath. At least NOT according to the Bible via a concordance.
Once we have this understood we have now inherited the whole issue for the divide over when is Shavuot. If you take The Sabbath to mean H7676 shabbath (Shabbat) and a Convocation to mean miqra’ H4744 this presents us with the problem of saying a Convocation is a Sabbath.
Let’s now jump to when to start the count.
“On the next day, the fifteenth day of the month, you must begin celebrating the Festival of Unleavened Bread. This festival to the Lord continues for seven days, and during that time the bread you eat must be made without yeast. On the first day of the festival, all the people must stop their ordinary work and observe an official day for holy assembly.” Leviticus 23:6-7.
We see that 15 Nisan (every year) starts Unleavened Bread. There is to be no work and the people are to have a Holy Assembly (Convocation) A miqra’ H4744 NOT A shabbath (Shabbat) H7676.
This year 15 Nisan 5780 was Thursday April 9, 2020. Next year 15 Nisan will be a different day. However since The Sabbath is always the Seventh Day of The Week and actually is a shabbath (Shabbat) H7676 and not a miqra’ H4744 (Convocation) we need to understand that The Sabbath is The Sabbath. This poses a question,
“Does “the day after the Sabbath” mean the day after 14 Nisan, or does “the Day after the Sabbath” mean the first day of the week”?
Since we see that a “Holy Convocation/Assembly” is Not a Sabbath, and the Sabbath is evening Friday to evening Saturday evening we must conclude that…
Biblically, “the day after the Sabbath” is just that, “the day after the Sabbath of the week of Passover/start of Unleavened Bread.
The Jewish Tradition holds that 15 Nisan (the second day of Passover, the start of Unleavened Bread) is a High Sabbath, the day after is the start of the Counting of “Omer”, this leads 50 days and puts the start of Shavuot at being 5 Sivan and this year makes it in 5780 Thursday 28 May 2020. If this is the case we need to ask, “if Sabbath (day) is Saturday then the day after the Sabbath should also fall on the end of the 50 day count, based on scripture. Let’s see what the Shavuot mention is for the “when”.
““From the day after the Sabbath—the day you bring the bundle of grain to be lifted up as a special offering—count off seven full weeks.” Leviticus 23:15.
The Word H7676 Shabbath (Shabbat) is again used for Sabbath, and we do not see H4744 Miqra (Convocation) used. Also, that special offering mentioned is tied to the previous Festival mentioned as you might guess.
““Give the following instructions to the people of Israel. When you enter the land I am giving you and you harvest its first crops, bring the priest a bundle of grain from the first cutting of your grain harvest. On the day after the Sabbath, the priest will lift it up before the Lord so it may be accepted on your behalf.” Leviticus 23:10-11.
This means that on the day after the Sabbath following Passover/Unleavened Bread start is when you start that count.
We see in Leviticus 23:15 from seconds ago that we are to count off Seven Full Weeks. (A full week is day 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, Sabbath). Biblically speaking.
“Keep counting until the day after the seventh Sabbath, fifty days later. Then present an offering of new grain to the Lord.” Leviticus 23:16
Now if we start the count from what some call a High Sabbath, but is technically a Miqra then we have the 50 day count off landing guess where…. Thursday 28, May in the year 2020. The “day after that is day six of the Full Week and is the Sabbath Prep Day, with Sabbath starting that evening. One simply assumes a “Holy Convocation” (Miqra) is a Sabbath. The problem with our word study is a Sabbath is a Sabbath and not a Miqra. This means the counting which reads “the day after the Sabbath (shabbath) H7676 is the day that comes after the Sabbath that lines up for that week of Passover/Unleavened Bread Starting. Since we know 14 Nisan is Passover and 15 Nisan is the start of Unleavened Bread. Since we also know that 14 Nisan this year 2020/5780 was 8 April and 15 Nisan was 9 April and many people started their “Omer Count” on that day and counted off 50 days. We can see that it landed on 5 Sivan or for this year (2020/5780) 28 May.
If we say that our count started the second day of Passover which was the start of Unleavened Bread which was a qodesh miqra (Holy Convocation/Assembly) not a H7676 Shabbath (Shabbat) we then need to be ready to count the seventh day of Unleavened Bread also as a Sabbath too. This means two more Sabbaths have now been added. This means 15 Nisan and 21 Nisan have now become Sabbaths. This means we count those also as Sabbaths and our count is no longer counting “Full Weeks”. But let’s say we only count one of the qodesh miqra (Holy Convocation/Assembly) as a sabbath, if this is the case we end up 50 days being 28 May in 2020/5780. This is not the day after THE SABBATH. But it falls on a Thursday two days before the actual Sabbath on Saturday. There is no Sabbath to come behind midweek.
Again as I stated before I’m NOT JEWISH but I AM a member of the twelve tribes of the Nation of Israel There are 10 other tribes of the Northern House or Kingdom. Judah (Jewish) has 2 Tribes in the Southern House or Kingdom. We are all One Nation. I must then as a Grafted In Gentile for me being Biblical Not Religious, I must default to my authority. My authority is NOT the Jewish Rabbinic Leading Men (because I’m not actually Jewish). My authority is Rabbi Yeshua/Christ Jesus our Messiah. This means the Whole Bible as the Written Messiah (Word made Flesh). Since He never tells us when to start the count, as He is the Word made Flesh and the “Word” is the Bible. Since we know He taught Torah and the Prophets and Writings I must logically conclude with “see Torah” for my default in this matter.
Alright, so I follow it this way.
1. We are called to start the count the “day after the Sabbath” on the week of 14 and 15 Nisan.
2. Friday evening to Saturday evening is the weekly Sabbath. Saturday morning to Saturday evening is the Sabbath Day.
3. We are called to count seven Sabbaths not one or two Holy Convocations plus 5 or six Sabbaths which would not be seven full weeks not seven actual Sabbaths.
4. We are called to end our 50 day count on the Day after the Sabbath. This doesn’t coincide with any other day of the week other than the first day of the week. That is to say, not when knowing Saturday is Sabbath day. The day after the Sabbath is Sunday biblically speaking.
If you count it this way you have seven Sabbaths, Seven Full weeks, this makes the 50 days end on the day after the Sabbath because it started the day after the Sabbath and makes the scripture make logical sense.
To get to Shavuot one starts their count “the day after the Sabbath” Sunday, which follows the Passover and Unleavened Bread start. This means week one is on that first day of the week and Sabbath 1 is the seventh day of that week. This means 7 Sivan, 30 May in 2020/5780 is the seventh Sabbath. Then the day after the Sabbath is Sunday on that day you observe, remembering a day starts The evening before to the current evening. This means Sabbath evening to Sunday evening is Shavuot. Based on my understanding of the Bible based upon Scripture and Word study.
With all this said here I want to be very clear about something. I’m NOT your Rabbi or Teacher. I’m NOT your Authority. according to the Holy Bible that is Messiah/Christ through the Word of God. No man should be that. Though we are permitted to help people understand why we do what we do, are called to preach to the nations we are not called to be leaders. So I’m not “an” or “the” authority. I’m just a man who follows His Bible, the same as you. This is just how I now render this headache of Tradition vs Scripture. I’m not saying “I’m right you’re wrong”. I’m not trying to offend you, upset you, or anything of the sort. I’ve been asked why I’m changing from the Traditional Jewish interpretation of when to start and stop counting. So this is it.
For all those keeping it with Rabbinic Judaism, starting Thursday 28 May, May your Shavuot Bless you. For those who are keeping it as I am on Sunday 31 May, may your Shavuot Bless you.
It’s ok if we don’t see everything eye to eye. Remember we are celebrating something the church has ignored. We are chosen to return to Torah. So, I will not be angry if you start your Shavuot on a different day than me. I’m just happy we are making Father/God smile at our attempts to align with Him.
I hope this writing helps to clarify why some people marked their Omer days differently than others, and will start their Shavuot on different days than others.
This year I had my Shavuot changed from Thursday 28 May 2020 to Sunday 31 May 2020 based upon a scripture and word study instead of the traditions of Rabbinic Judaism. Praise our Father for the Whole Bible. Amen.
It’s never easy having to change ones mind, or beliefs. But before I leave this earth I want to align myself up with Father and Son through His Word as best I can. Because you can be sure, those who don’t will have to learn this all later on. I want to try and Please the Father and Honor and Follow the Son because after all I pledged my life to Him. Shouldn’t I desire to obey Him too?
I’m not asking you to change anything, not saying I’m right and you’re wrong, I’m just wishing both camps of Shavuot Observes peace, love, and may it be a blessing to you. While explaining how I read it and why I do what I do. Even if we differ brother or sister, I still love you and enjoy the fact we are observing Fathers Holy Days.
One of the things people ask a lot is, “I see the Bible Commands to Keep the Sabbath. Just what does God want me to do”?
Doing is actually a wrong approach to Sabbath, according to the Holy Bible there are two main points. Rest, doing no work.
We live in a world that would rather work than rest. A world that would rather be God than submit to God. A world were we want to Do Something, and not just partake of it. This can be hard when first coming to following God and Christ instead of just knowing of them. Let’s see some scripture.
In Exodus we see the first command come to us.
““Remember to observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.” Exodus 20:8
Father/God starts the command with “Remember to Observe”. This says a lot because of the Ten Commandments the modern Christian says “that’s just for the Jew, I Keep Sunday”. Nowhere is the Holy Bible do we read God or Christ tell us to ignore the Sabbath. Nowhere do they tell us to instead worship on Sunday. Nowhere. We can however see in the Vaticans own website they say Sabbath was changed to Sunday, and say it is because Jesus died and was resurrected. Jesus never taught this to His Disciples EVER. He teaches about everything else, but never tells us to follow men when they change from the Bible to follow pagan and secular customs. Neither God, nor His Son made those changes. This is why God calls us to remember to observe.
Notice if you will the above. They say Sunday is expressly distinguished From Sabbath. They call the Sabbath Jewish even. They say Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Sabbath. How can a different day fulfill the day that God set apart, called us to remember and observe? It cannot. We must remember a main point,
““Do not worship the Lord your God in the way these pagan peoples worship their gods.” Deuteronomy 12:4.
This would include picking a day the pagans worship “the venerable day of the sun” and assigning it for Christians to replace the Sabbath which IS found in the Bible to keep. We know this because of the Golden Calf incident. Israel had just left Egypt at Gods direction through Moses. They had seen the plagues Egypt had by Gods hand, they had even been passed over as God smote all of Egypt’s first born. They had seen God Split the Red Sea and had walked on the sea floor from one side of the shore the other side. They had seen the water close back in drowning the Egyptian soldiers. The saw and experienced all these things.
However they feel that since Moses was up the mountain meeting with God for 40 days and nights they decide perhaps he isn’t coming back. So they have Aaron make a Golden Calf and they worship it, claiming that this was the God who delivered them. Aaron even chooses that day and tries to make it a Holy Day. Let’s read why we cannot do our own thing.
“Then Aaron took the gold, melted it down, and molded it into the shape of a calf. When the people saw it, they exclaimed, “O Israel, these are the gods who brought you out of the land of Egypt!” Aaron saw how excited the people were, so he built an altar in front of the calf. Then he announced, “Tomorrow will be a festival to the Lord!” The people got up early the next morning to sacrifice burnt offerings and peace offerings. After this, they celebrated with feasting and drinking, and they indulged in pagan revelry.” Exodus 32:4-6.
Before you say “see the Israelites did there own thing and it worked for them. Let’s see God’s reaction.
“The Lord told Moses, “Quick! Go down the mountain! Your people whom you brought from the land of Egypt have corrupted themselves. How quickly they have turned away from the way I commanded them to live! They have melted down gold and made a calf, and they have bowed down and sacrificed to it. They are saying, ‘These are your gods, O Israel, who brought you out of the land of Egypt.’” Then the Lord said, “I have seen how stubborn and rebellious these people are. Now leave me alone so my fierce anger can blaze against them, and I will destroy them. Then I will make you, Moses, into a great nation.”” Exodus 32:7-10.
Their actions made God mad. Just like us in Christianity doing it all our own way, or crediting Jesus for doing away with God’s Instructions. We see God wanted to Destroy the people. Instead of destroying All the people God opts to have only those who participated in the worshipping of the calf struck down.
“The Levites obeyed Moses’ command, and about 3,000 people died that day.” Exodus 32:28.
So we cannot just do it our way.
So what does God want us to do to observe Sabbath?
“You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath day of rest dedicated to the Lord your God. On that day no one in your household may do any work. This includes you, your sons and daughters, your male and female servants, your livestock, and any foreigners living among you.” Exodus 20:9-10.
1. Stop working
2. Rest dedicating the day to God
Who is to observe this? “You” being blood born Israel, their family members, and the “foreigner living with Israel”. Who is the foreigner? We Christians are Grafted Into Israel. See Romans 11.
“But some of these branches from Abraham’s tree—some of the people of Israel—have been broken off. And you Gentiles, who were branches from a wild olive tree, have been grafted in. So now you also receive the blessing God has promised Abraham and his children, sharing in the rich nourishment from the root of God’s special olive tree. But you must not brag about being grafted in to replace the branches that were broken off. You are just a branch, not the root.” Romans 11:17-18.
We are to Rest on the Sabbath and Dedicate the day to God. We the Grafted In former gentile but now adopted Israelite. Christians are Gentiles until they recognize and walk in this conversion to Follow Messiah/Christ and His Fathers Instructions. Gods family isn’t Christianity, but Israel. And Israel is blood born and grafted. We see we are to do no work and rest on the Sabbath, dedicating it to God. But why?
“For in six days the Lord made the heavens, the earth, the sea, and everything in them; but on the seventh day he rested. That is why the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and set it apart as holy.” Exodus 20:11.
The Sabbath commemorates Fathers work of creation. We honor Him on this day every week where He gives us rest ourselves. Where He wants us to set the day apart from our normal, and make it about Him. For Him. To observe the Sabbath, to rest on it, to not do work on it keeps it holy as to break it is to defile it.
“On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when he rested from all his work of creation.” Genesis 2:2-3
God Himself makes the day Holy, and our observance keeps it that way, or we defile it. It’s that simple.
In Exodus 31 we also have some other points. (This part of the chapter on the Sabbath reads like Exodus 20’s part) so I’m not including it all. Please read it yourself. But I’ll add in something with huge implications.
““Tell the people of Israel: ‘Be careful to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you from generation to generation. It is given so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy. You must keep the Sabbath day, for it is a holy day for you. Anyone who desecrates it must be put to death; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community.” Exodus 31:13-14.
You will notice that Israel is given the Commandment, not Christianity. Israel not Christianity is Gods Chosen People. (Read your Bible) you MUST be Grafted In to Israel or you cannot get the blessings of the God of Israel. Also walking them Commands is how you come to truly “know God”. Jesus in fact Commands us to… Keep His Commandments. He also says those who don’t love Him will not do so. He even ties His two commands to His Fathers. Let’s look.
““If you love me, obey my commandments.” John 14:15
“Jesus replied, “‘You must love the LORD your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. A second is equally important: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ The entire law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commandments.”” Matthew 22:37-40
Very clearly Jesus points us back to Gods Commands (Torah) and the rest of the Old Testament (Hebrew Bible). His Commands sum up all the rest of everything His Father told us. The Law and the Prophets (Old Testament).
“Be careful to obey all my commands, so that all will go well with you and your children after you, because you will be doing what is good and pleasing to the Lord your God.” Deuteronomy 12:28
Alright. So again what are we supposed to do? REST, DO NO WORK, DEDICATE THE DAY TO GOD. To do otherwise is to profane it. Or make it unholy. Again the covenant is between God and Israel which we are Grafted Into according to the Bible.
So let’s look at when Sabbath starts, ends, what is the preparation day, what is the Sabbath Day, and how this all gets factored in.
When does Sabbath actually start? We see that God marks a “day” opposite how we mark a day. We mark the day based on Rome and Pope Gregory (Gregorian Calendar) from midnight to the next midnight “morning to morning”. If we are on Monday, Tuesday will start at midnight. Monday will truly end at Tuesday’s midnight, which starts a new day technically. How does God mark His days?
“And evening passed and morning came, marking the third day.” Genesis 1:13.
God marks His days evening to evening. So if we are on Monday, Sunday evening to Monday evening is Monday. Hopefully that makes sense. Evening day one to evening of the day we are on (day two) is a day (day two in this case) according to God.
This is important to know, because Saturday is the Sabbath. But Sabbath starts Friday evening. The “Sabbath Day” is morning to evening of Saturday. Remember the Sabbath is evening Friday to evening Saturday.
The day of Friday is “preparation day” where one gets ready for the Sabbath. On Friday daytime, one gets ready by getting everything in order for the needs of Sabbath, and cooking the meals and so on. Because one is commanded to REST AND DO NO WORK, we have to come to grasp that since “your servants” are listed, this means anybody who serves you. This to many means spending of money to be served, or making someone serve you. This includes restaurants, gas stations, grocery stores, and some even render buying from amazon in this category. One pays another, for work or service, should cease according to the Do no work part of the Command.
To dedicate the day to God, means set it apart. One should abstain from the common things. Many view the day as being the time one spends with God. It’s a special day, as your adopted Father stops His work, asking you to stop yours to spend the day together.
Let’s talk some things that are to many, tradition.
With this all said we know that Jesus was a Hebrew Rabbi. He was keeping the customs the Jewish of the first century would have been. We supposedly pledged our lives to Him. If we did, we should be following Him as the disciples did, right?
We can see Jesus healed on the Sabbath, broke some Jewish Traditions which were the traditions of the Rabbis, that were not biblical. This gets us to what the Jewish do of today.
We know they eat a special Shabbat Dinner on Friday evening, say certain blessings at certain times, they light candles in a certain way, have wine, eat a special bread called Challah, and go to synagogue during the morning of the Sabbath Day, where the weekly Torah Portion is read from. These things are all traditions that Jesus and His disciples most likely walked out. We know this because we see much of what I mentioned followed by the gospels as they did them.
Jesus went to the Sabbath Dinner at a Pharisees house (Luke 14:1). We know in the Lord Supper Jesus gave thanks to God for both the bread and the wine before sharing them. This is traditionally also done at the Sabbath meal, because thanking God for the wine and also the bread are a normal staple of the Sabbath meal. Along with welcoming in the Sabbath by remembering creation in reading the Sabbath rest statement in the Command to keep it. There are also blessings over the children among a few others said. But thanking God for the bread and wine is a thing. Many Grafted In and Messianic also focus on the “Lords Supper” scripture too. I say too because Jesus was celebrating The Jewish/Hebrew marking of creation with the bread and wine, and Command to the Sabbath, before He gave it to us as a “remember me” observance. He took something people already knew and were doing and would always have available. We also know that Jesus and the Disciples went to synagogue during the day of Sabbath. (Luke 4:16). Since many don’t have a Christian church or Messianic congregation near them, notice what Jesus did? Read from the Torah Portion for the week. We can do this if we don’t have the capability to go to a worship place. Also we can watch an online service as well.
Some people shut down their internet, don’t go anywhere, and stop all common things, I’ve even known families to shut off cell phones during Sabbath.
Alright, here is the thing. Jewish take the Sabbath to a whole other level, buying food warmers to keep the second meals warm on Saturday buffet style, so as not to cook, as cooking is work to them. They will also make sure not to light a fire, But keep it going as starting a fire to them is work, and will go to great extremes to over adhere to avoid possibly falling into a sin unintentionally. One can see even some Messianic people or Christian Torah observers go far overboard with traditions. Here is my advice.
Pray and ask God what He wants you to adhere to, read the passages that contain Keep my Sabbath. See what they say and how you feel lead to observe. The biggest things are Rest, do no work and keep the day Holy by setting it apart and spending time with your creator. The Sabbath is a gift not a burden. It is rest not work. It is not about doing, but about being. Being Gods Family. Being Israel. Being set apart for Him.
I am not your authority that honor is Christ’s, found even as the written Jesus in our Holy Bibles. I’m just a man, so I’m NOT going to give you a list of “what you must do”. You can find the Jewish traditions online and may observe those. You can find congregations online and observe theirs. You have the Holy Bible so you can read it. Over time my traditions on “Keeping Sabbath” have changed a little.
I, on Friday evening welcome Shabbat (Sabbath) at the same time the Jewish people do. I invite Shabbat to my room (as I cannot do some things I wish to as I am a guest of my secular “worldly” aunt and have to adhere to the property owners rules) I’m in exile or dispersed a tad bit more than others. Lol. But I say the welcoming blessings and have the wine/grape juice, I don’t use a traditional Challah bread but a much smaller one piece option as I cannot eat a whole loaf in a week and it would soil. But I say the proper blessings over each and then eat a good meal. I have nobody to participate with here in my family and thus must observe by myself. I also read a few certain bible passages. I don’t do ANY WORK, and I avoid common everyday things. I try to make the 24 ish hours about spending time with my adopted Father as I’m Grafted In, and because my earthly father never wanted me leaving his wife and son far behind. I make the 24 hours about resting in my Father and His Son and their Word as His Spirit leads me each week. It’s not a religious observance but a family gathering. For that day I’m among the whole of Israel, perhaps not physically together but observing while they all observe.
Sabbath morning I go for a long walk in the woods, sit at a favorite place I like to pray, read scripture at. I then read out the week’s Torah Portion for the second time and talk it’s points out so I can make sure I grasp the Blood Born understanding and can apply that to my Grafted walk. Basically for me a kinda bible study. When the Sabbath day is over I mark the ending of Shabbat with saying a blessing and prayer.
I observe the best I can with the restrictions of being a guest in a secular worldly persons home. I at times watch also one of a few online services or topical Torah portion discussions.
I am in No Way telling you to do what I do, or saying my way is correct. Again I’m not to be followed or am not your authority. What I do works for me, for now until I get my own place once again. It should be said I have no Messianic groups near me, and did place an add getting no interest of persons near me, so I’m observing these things literally away from everybody as I have no transportation, currently. I’m sure One day all that will change. Until then I’m continuing to observe as I would if I were traveling.
Lastly doing something isn’t about Shabbat. It’s taking 24 ish hours to be with your creator as His People. Set apart from the world which Christianity resembles, and embraces. Sabbath isn’t Jewish, it’s Gods. Sabbath isn’t strange it’s set apart. Sabbath isn’t a burden it’s Biblical. To reject Sabbath is to reject Messiah/Christ as John One says “the Word was with God and is God, and that Word is made Flesh in Christ Jesus/Messiah Yeshua”.
Go read your Bible, and enjoy Sabbath. You are either following God and Christ through His Word, or you’re still a gentile pagan. Following the world in all its ways or being Gods Set Apart People. You cannot do it both ways. One read leads to life, the other to destruction. As for me I choose Christ, my faith is all I have left.